Even More Obamacare Follies

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Velo Vol said:
"Things are going to be chaos next year!"

--ACA critics for the past five years
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That's because the Obama administration keeps on delaying sections of the bill from going into effect and exempting preferred groups from the requirements of other sections.
 
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Velo Vol said:
"Things are going to be chaos next year!"

--ACA critics for the past five years
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"The emphasis added by attributing a signaure will lose it's effect if overdone."

-People who add fictional signatures.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Name five companies with 50 to 100 employees that did not already offer health insurance to their employees.
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Are you claiming to be better informed than Claire McCaskill, Heidi Heitkamp, Chris Coons, Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly and Jon Tester and independent Sen. Angus King?
 
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utvolpj said:
Ate you claiming to be better informed than Claire McCaskill, Heidi Heitkamp, Chris Coons, Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly and Jon Tester and independent Sen. Angus King?
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Well, Joe Manchin did shoot at a copy of Obamacare during his senate campaign, and you know how LG is about guns. :eek:k:
 
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utvolpj said:
Are you claiming to be better informed than Claire McCaskill, Heidi Heitkamp, Chris Coons, Joe Manchin, Joe Donnelly and Jon Tester and independent Sen. Angus King?
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Don't claim to be. I'm just saying that the usual suspects from the right, who do not care to indulge in any actual factual analysis, are twisting their letter to be a harbinger of these "small" companies going out of business or firing people because they suddenly have to buy health insurance coverage for their employees.

When, of course, 95 % of them already do so.
 
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volinbham said:
This surprises no one but LG and he'll deny it.

Obamacare Is Really Expensive for Small Businesses. Surprise! - Hit & Run : Reason.com
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Yes, many businesses are spending some money now in order to comply, to make sure that their paperwork is in order.

But let's make sure we understand what we are talking about here. Its not thousands of dollars per employee, or some such nonsense. Its averaging, the original writer claims, about $15,000 for a business of OVER 50 employees to make sure they are in compliance.

I'd say in the scheme of things that is hardly worth, as the saying goes, getting your panties all in a bunch.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Don't claim to be. I'm just saying that the usual suspects from the right, who do not care to indulge in any actual factual analysis, are twisting their letter to be a harbinger of these "small" companies going out of business or firing people because they suddenly have to buy health insurance coverage for their employees.

When, of course, 95 % of them already do so.
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All the ones I listed are Dems. They authored the delay request.

Try and address the actual points instead of just making up crap and blaming the right. Good grief man, have some pride in yourself and your opinions
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, many businesses are spending some money now in order to comply, to make sure that their paperwork is in order.

But let's make sure we understand what we are talking about here. Its not thousands of dollars per employee, or some such nonsense. Its averaging, the original writer claims, about $15,000 for a business of OVER 50 employees to make sure they are in compliance.

I'd say in the scheme of things that is hardly worth, as the saying goes, getting your panties all in a bunch.
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Maybe you didn't read the whole thing.

1. $15K is just the cost of complying with the law - that's compliance costs; not increases in insurance rates.

2. 91% expect their HC costs overall to go up in 2015 as a result of ACA - 2/3rds of that said their costs will go up a lot.

3. One third of these businesses say they are not hiring specifically because of ACA. Less than 1/2 said ACA is NOT impacting the structure of their workforce.

This was sold as reducing costs and creating jobs. It is demonstrably having the opposite effect.
 
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utvolpj said:
All the ones I listed are Dems. They authored the delay request.

Try and address the actual points instead of just making up crap and blaming the right. Good grief man, have some pride in yourself and your opinions
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<insert talking points here + word "shrill" and possible reference to "religious right" and/or Koch Brothers>
 
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lawgator1 said:
Don't claim to be. I'm just saying that the usual suspects from the right, who do not care to indulge in any actual factual analysis, are twisting their letter to be a harbinger of these "small" companies going out of business or firing people because they suddenly have to buy health insurance coverage for their employees.

When, of course, 95 % of them already do so.
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You really need to read and understand the law.

Many companies hire seasonal employees, hundreds of them every year. So "Google is your friend" do some research and find out how many seasonal/part time employees equate to 1 full time employee for ACA purposes.
 
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Here's the law making a difference

States That Expand Medicaid Detect More Cases Of Diabetes : Shots - Health News : NPR

Using data collected by the clinical laboratory Quest Diagnostics, Fonseca and his colleagues first looked at states that did not expand Medicaid. They saw a very small percentage increase (compared to the previous year) in diabetes diagnoses.

Then they looked at states that expanded Medicaid, and saw, among Medicaid patients, a much bigger increase — 23 percent. That translated into thousands of people with previously undiagnosed Type II diabetes being discovered because of Medicaid's expansion, Fonseca says. He and his colleagues have published the study online this week in Diabetes Care, the journal of the American Diabetes Association.

Dr. Robert Ratner, the chief medical officer for the American Diabetes Association, says the study is important because early diagnosis and treatment are particularly crucial with diabetes. Left untreated, the disease can lead to blindness, heart attack, kidney failure or complications that require amputation of the foot or leg.
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Question presented: As a matter of public policy, is it better that people with diabetes know they have diabetes? Or is it better for people deal with it untreated until the disease advances?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Here's the law making a difference

States That Expand Medicaid Detect More Cases Of Diabetes : Shots - Health News : NPR



Question presented: As a matter of public policy, is it better that people with diabetes know they have diabetes? Or is it better for people deal with it untreated until the disease advances?
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Early detection is better of course.

What this study doesn't tell us is the extent to which those diagnosed are changing their lifestyles to mitigate the problems that follow.
 
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Gramps said:
I didn't have cancer before Obamacare was enacted. Can I sue the US Government For passing a law that gave me this shat?
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Hey Gramps!! :clapping: Glad to hear from you!! I'm hoping nothing but the best for you coming down the pike in the future. You can sue the gubmint all you want but they'll just hold out forever on your case.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Hey Gramps!! :clapping: Glad to hear from you!! I'm hoping nothing but the best for you coming down the pike in the future. You can sue the gubmint all you want but they'll just hold out forever on your case.
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Thank WTOB.

Think LG would handle my case or would SDV be a better option ?
 
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