Even More Obamacare Follies

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Gramps said:
It would have benefited me had my wife and I had not been able to purchase insurance a couple of years ago. Research my post you can read all about it. I will soon be on Medicare, now that will benefit me.

Where did I ever say I loved it ?

I have always said it has some good things and more bad things.

I am not "being hopeful" as you say. I am simply looking at it realistically. It is not going to be appealed as long as Obama is in the WH. Anyone with an IQ of 60+ should realize that.
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Yes we know it won't get "appealed" as long as Barry is in office.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I was watching the John Boehner interview on the Kelly File last night when the subject of this came up. He did bring up a good point that without a Democrat controlled Senate, Obama would be in the position to have to make the decisions himself as Harry Reid won't be around to run interference for him anymore.

Obama may very well veto any attempts to overturn it if the Senate goes Republican this fall. But the choice will be on him instead of having that additional buffer zone that keeps him from making the hard choices.

Of course that's providing Reid doesn't suggest a change back to the old filibuster rules just before the elections this fall and if it's a foregone conclusion the Senate changes hands. Not that he would ever do anything shady like that. Like ever...
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Nah, Reid would never do anything underhanded.

Morning Joe did a piece on "Reid's kryptonite" (his family) this morning. I just caught a little of it but from what I gathered he has used campaign donations to buy gifts for family members.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I was watching the John Boehner interview on the Kelly File last night when the subject of this came up. He did bring up a good point that without a Democrat controlled Senate, Obama would be in the position to have to make the decisions himself as Harry Reid won't be around to run interference for him anymore.

Obama may very well veto any attempts to overturn it if the Senate goes Republican this fall. But the choice will be on him instead of having that additional buffer zone that keeps him from making the hard choices.

Of course that's providing Reid doesn't suggest a change back to the old filibuster rules just before the elections this fall and if it's a foregone conclusion the Senate changes hands. Not that he would ever do anything shady like that. Like ever...
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Utterly irrelevant.

For one thing, he is not running again. For another he would absolutely veto any repeal. He has said so.

The reason Boehner has to say that is that he has to make winning the Senate meaningful to Fox viewers. Pretty obvious, imo. I'd expect him to say that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The reason Boehner has to say that is that he has to make winning the Senate meaningful to Fox viewers.
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Yeah, Fox viewers are the only ones concerned about winning the Senate this fall...

Probably should stop at this point before you say something else that makes you look foolish.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Yeah, Fox viewers are the only ones concerned about winning the Senate this fall...

Probably should stop at this point before you say something else that makes you look foolish.
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Surely you agree that he is trying to motivate?

I mean, if the argument is, well, even with winning the Senate we can't overturn the ACA, then why bother-- the response is that it does matter, so keep those checks coming!
 
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it's a solid point. Reid has prevented all kinds of things from ever reaching the Pres and forcing him to make a decision
 
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lawgator1 said:
Surely you agree that he is trying to motivate?

I mean, if the argument is, well, even with winning the Senate we can't overturn the ACA, then why bother-- the response is that it does matter, so keep those checks coming!
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I think what he is saying is entirely correct. Harry Reid has been running interference for the President over a lot of issues, the ACA being just one of them. But when you take that buffer zone out of play, the President has to show his true colors and either sign off on legislation Congress puts forward that, by proxy, the majority of American people want or deny it and give his own reasons why.

And this is where his utter and complete lack of leadership shows even more. Not that it isn't evident enough already.

ETA: Yeah, what PJ said with a whole lot less words lol
 
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lawgator1 said:
Surely you agree that he is trying to motivate?

I mean, if the argument is, well, even with winning the Senate we can't overturn the ACA, then why bother-- the response is that it does matter, so keep those checks coming!
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Six years of Obama, reed ,piglosi is all the motivation anyone needs.
 
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tumscalcium said:
I don't see it getting repealed. But it is the best option to do so.
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Not going to be repealed any time soon. But, I think the dems will have some sort of halfass mea culpa strategy this summer in an effort to save the senate. Dems will admit the law is flawed and propose some sort of fix. Republicans will say no in an effort to make sure the dems suffer from their own creation. Obama, Reid, Pelosi and company will run in front of the cameras blaming the evil, mean spirited repubs for not going along with the fix. Main stream media will aid the dems of course. Rinos with no backbone or who want to control healthcare when its their turn will go along. "Obamacare Light" will be the compromised result.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Utterly irrelevant.

For one thing, he is not running again. For another he would absolutely veto any repeal. He has said so.

The reason Boehner has to say that is that he has to make winning the Senate meaningful to Fox viewers. Pretty obvious, imo. I'd expect him to say that.
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I'm with you on this one LG. I don't believe a damn thing that comes out of Boehner's mouth.
 
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So a question for all of you ACA supporters. I thought nobody was supposed to be turned away for pre existing conditions. So why was my uncle denied health insurance because of his polio?
 
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FLVOL69 said:
You can believe the part about the GOP winning back the senate . It's gonna happen
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You can believe me when I tell you that JB is not only dishonest, but also cowardly when it comes time put his leadership skills on the line. I wouldn't trust him to lead a kindergarten field trip.
 
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DC_Vol said:
You can believe me when I tell you that JB is not only dishonest, but also cowardly when it comes time put his leadership skills on the line. I wouldn't trust him to lead a kindergarten field trip.
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No fan of boner, he's weak and spineless
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So a question for all of you ACA supporters. I thought nobody was supposed to be turned away for pre existing conditions. So why was my uncle denied health insurance because of his polio?
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To quote Orwell, "Some preexisting conditions are more preexisting than others."

Wait, that doesn't sound right. I think I got that wrong.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
It's like 79 said awhile back. , those who support that clown will be hurt the worst . I'm sorry to hear about your uncle.
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Thanks. I tried to tell him and my aunt to not vote for Obama but they did not listen. He is on disability but it doesn't cover everything he needs. Even though I am against the ACA, I am hoping that he gets coverage.
 
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Goldie said:
How is losing health insurance good for American people? How is paying more good for American people? How is not being able to choose good for American people?
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Are there any legitimate studies that show the average American is paying more or that a significant amount of people have lost their coverage?

I don't feel that there's any actual hard factual data to support either side yet. Just a bunch of propaganda from both sides.
 
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Thrasher865 said:
Are there any legitimate studies that show the average American is paying more or that a significant amount of people have lost their coverage?

I don't feel that there's any actual hard factual data to support either side yet. Just a bunch of propaganda from both sides.
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the lack of hard data from the govt's side tells me the numbers aren't as solid as they would like
 
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utvolpj said:
the lack of hard data from the govt's side tells me the numbers aren't as solid as they would like
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What hard data would you like from them? Are you talking about enrollment? If so, the deadline hasn't passed yet, has it?

I would think it would take unbiased, independent studies to determine if people are paying more or less overall now. The government doesn't know that, or shouldn't know that, because I wouldn't think they would have pre-ACA numbers. Then again, at this point, I wonder if there's anything the gov't doesn't know about us.
 
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