Even More Obamacare Follies

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Velo Vol said:
Obamacare approval rating surges to 64%

Americans Stick With Obamacare as Opposition Burns Bright - Bloomberg
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Surges is completely the wrong way to describe this data.

Look at the history of this poll

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You'll see that the repeal #has stayed between 34 and 37% since 2011. Meanwhile the "leave it alone/as is" dropped from 19% to 13% in the last two collection periods (pre-rollout and post-rollout). So the real change is that staunch supporters have moved to the "it needs some work" category.

the 4 polling times show "support" at 62, 57, 59 and 64. Hardly "surging" support.
 
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I think what's happening is that most Americans are finding out it really has not affected them. They were told by the GOP that it would lead to mass chaos, rape and pillaging of small towns, and that all doctors would quit.

When that didn't happen ....

Could be that the GOP has slightly overplayed its hand here. Again.
 
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The Bloomberg article has real problems. It ignores the past data from it's own poll on this issue and conflates presidential approval with this specific question. See below

President Barack Obama’s health-care law is becoming more entrenched, with 64 percent of Americans now supporting it outright or backing small changes.
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That’s an improvement since the last poll, in December, when Obama’s public standing on health care hit a low of 60 percent disapproval after the botched rollout of the insurance exchanges, according to the March 7-10 poll of 1,001 adults.
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Those are not the same issue but it's written to show a dramatic shift where one (see previous post) did not occur

So here's the closest they come to referencing their earlier findings

Fifty-one percent of Americans favor retaining the Affordable Care Act with “small modifications,” while 13 percent would leave the law intact and 34 percent would repeal it. That’s the highest level of public acceptance for the law yet in the Bloomberg poll.
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Highest level of public acceptance? In 2011 it was nearly identical 35, 51, 11.

It late 2012 it was 34, 40, 19 which shows a stronger support for keep it as is.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think what's happening is that most Americans are finding out it really has not affected them. They were told by the GOP that it would lead to mass chaos, rape and pillaging of small towns, and that all doctors would quit.

When that didn't happen ....

Could be that the GOP has slightly overplayed its hand here. Again.
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Did you read what I wrote and read the article? The change Bloomberg is writing about isn't a change. It is entirely consistent with their polling data going back to 2011.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think what's happening is that most Americans are finding out it really has not affected them. They were told by the GOP that it would lead to mass chaos, rape and pillaging of small towns, and that all doctors would quit.

When that didn't happen ....

Could be that the GOP has slightly overplayed its hand here. Again.
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It hasn't really affected them due to the delays!

Throw a lobster into a boiling pot it thrashes in pain, gradually turn the heat up they sit there content until they die.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think what's happening is that most Americans are finding out it really has not affected them. They were told by the GOP that it would lead to mass chaos, rape and pillaging of small towns, and that all doctors would quit.

When that didn't happen ....

Could be that the GOP has slightly overplayed its hand here. Again.
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Of course. It's the GOP overselling the issue.

It can't possibly be because very little of the law has actually been executed thanks to the numerous delays the administration has ordered in order to salvage the midterms. It can't possibly be that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think what's happening is that most Americans are finding out it really has not affected them. They were told by the GOP that it would lead to mass chaos, rape and pillaging of small towns, and that all doctors would quit.

When that didn't happen ....

Could be that the GOP has slightly overplayed its hand here. Again.
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I wouldn't go that far. I mean, it has affected a few million who've lost their policies and doctors, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. There's more to come. Moreover, most Americans haven't felt the sting because the law hasn't been implemented yet.

Why do people like you believe that government is the solution to problems?
 
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There's no way this will ever work. Nobody wants to pay for somebody else to have what they work for while the other sits on their ass. Social security is a novel idea except more people take out than the ones that put it in. It's a sinking ship too.
 
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govols/cc said:
There's no way this will ever work. Nobody wants to pay for somebody else to have what they work for while the other sits on their ass. Social security is a novel idea except more people take out than the ones that put it in. It's a sinking ship too.
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Exactly.

There's a reason I've made good choices, worked my ass off, educated myself, etc.

It's because I wanted the options afforded to me for doing such things. It wasn't to sit in a doctor's waiting room competing for his time with people that have done none of those things.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I think what's happening is that most Americans are finding out it really has not affected them. They were told by the GOP that it would lead to mass chaos, rape and pillaging of small towns, and that all doctors would quit.

When that didn't happen ....

Could be that the GOP has slightly overplayed its hand here. Again.
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I am honestly making an effort to try and see things from your perspective, but I'm having some difficulty getting my head up Obama's arse as far as you have yours, so I guess I just can't see what you are seeing.
 
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bamawriter said:
Of course. It's the GOP overselling the issue.

It can't possibly be because very little of the law has actually been executed thanks to the numberous delays the administration has ordered in order to salvage the midterms. It can't possibly be that.
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Even if so, how much into the nuances of implementation will people go in November?

The GOP has promised that doctors will quit and, in the words of Bachmann, the ACA will literally kill children.

If life is rocking along in 7 months ....
 
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volinbham said:
Hey it ain't just the GOP that's been overselling with regard to ACA - that's exactly why the midterms look so rosy for the GOP.
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The midterms are looking rosy for the GOP because their base is motivated. This won't be an election about persuasion as much as turn out.
 
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I have a feeling that on November 05, 2014 there are going to be some cocky conservatives doing some serious boasting in the politics forum.
 
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Gramps said:
I have a feeling that on November 05, 2014 there are going to be some cocky conservatives doing some serious boasting in the politics forum.
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The Republicans might be (if they don't f it up) but I doubt conservatives will be. Two different animals these days.
 
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