Even More Obamacare Follies

Didn't see this posted anywhere:

Obama administration on low enrollment numbers:

Still, the cumulative 106,000 people who signed up for insurance comes in far below the half a million enrollees the Obama administration had projected in the first month, according to internal memos cited on Captiol Hill. And some of the 106,000 people have chosen a plan and put it in their shopping cart but not yet paid the first month's premium.

The bolded is the best part, never thought you could count a sale until money exchanged hands? Anyone want to guess how many people actually purchased a policy?
 
But a lot will get handouts with subsidies but will still be unwilling to pay anything.

I mean I'm all for people getting help when they need it. Subsidies on healthcare for people who do work their azzes off or people who CAN'T help themselves I'm all for...especially coming from a low income family myself. I just can't grasp the thought of helping people who won't.
 
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I mean I'm all for people getting help when they need it. Subsidies on healthcare for people who do work their azzes off or people who CAN'T help themselves I'm all for...especially coming from a low income family myself. I just can't grasp the thought of helping people who won't.

I don't think anybody disagrees with the first, if somebody is willing to work a full-time job and not be completely on the government dime, I don't have a problem helping out a little.

Sadly, the government has proven over and over again they can't separate the legit needy and the lazy freeloaders...and they make it entirely too easy to stay on such programs. I'm becoming more and more convinced its a vote buying scheme.
 
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Your Dad might be one of those democrats who are that way because once upon a time the Democrats were looking out for the hard working American. Now they prefer the hardly working American.

Not a doubt this is correct. But he doesnt get a pass for not changing with the times.
 
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I would be willing to bet that 90% of our bills are not read by every senator and congressperson before they vote on the bill. We have a sorry group of elected officials in DC , imo.

Saw some numbers where 68% of congressmen said they spend a "large amount of time" "dealing with constituents" ( aka working on getting reelected) and only 23% say they spend a "large amount of time" reading potential legislation. It's truly pathetic.
 
0 is going to address or lie to the nation in a press conference at 11:30 but more like 11:45 since he is always late
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I think a lot of people were for affordable healthcare until they saw its still not affordable.

I'd say about everyone is. Even with a "great" insurance plan unless you make some bucks you can still get hosed pretty hard.
 
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How Silicon Valley turned on President Obama - The Week

But a little over a year later, following explosive allegations from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden that the government is exploiting tech companies to spy on Americans, some members of Silicon Valley are taking a new perspective: "F--- these guys."

David Drummond, Google's chief legal officer, told The Verge. This is the same company that in October 2012 gave $342,409 to Democrats and only $37,250 to Republicans, according to data from OpenSecrets.

Many techies may be regretting such investments. "There's a strong libertarian streak that dampens support for the Obama administration... Entrepreneurs don't like the government telling them what they can or can't do with their bodies or their wallets," says Craig Montuori, a Caltech aerospace engineer who designed data systems for the Chris Christie campaign in 2009 and worked in the field for Obama in 2012.
 
Howard Dean was just on MSNBC questioning if 0 has the legal authority to make the changes.

You know its bad when Howard Dean is questioning a dem.
 
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damn it. How the hell do you get blindsided by your own f%$#@*g legislation??? - Democratic Underground

They wrote it. They knew what was in it. They knew some policies were going to get cancelled because they did not meet the ACA standards, but are acting like this is all coming as a big shock.

Blindsided by their own legislation? For real?

Unreal.

Don't mind the noise. I'm just breaking things.

the canceled plans were quite good. For example, my wife's plan is great, but it does not cover pediatric eye exams or wellness visits to the doc without a copay. Guess what? Once the employer mandate extension expires - good bye to her plan. I checked on the federal exchange site and a plan that would be close (but not quite as good) costs twice as much and has a much larger deductible than her current insurance. Since we make more than the minimum for subsidies, that's not going to help either. This is a mess, it needs to be fixed, and it needs to happen now. Congress wasn't straight with us, and sorry to say - neither was the President.

And don't even try to sell me on how much better a plan on the exchange will be. As I said above, I already looked.

AS much as i want to see a fix - it cannot be by decree.

mine was cancelled also - but I did not get hit as bad as you.

Our Monthly premium went up 42%

We were paying $ 1057.53 per month in 2013

We wil now be paying $ 1503.19 per month.

or an extra $ 5,347.92 per year.

Our deductible has more than doubled. We had a complete deductible of $ 6000.00 last year.

Our NEW DEDUCTIBLE IS $ 12,700.00 an increase of 111%

Our total out of pocket to be insured AND ACTUALLY USE the plan is now:

$ 12, 047.92 MORE THAN LAST YEAR! for less coverage.

.....MAN - I hope we do not use our insurance!


Our prescription plan will not even begin to kick in now TILL AFTER we have paid our entire deductible.

We also have a very nice dental plan though another provider, with decent coverage. WE NO LONGER HAVE AN OPTION and NOW we have to buy it though our insurance IF we want to keep it.

this is a mess. I am not the red herring

they are stuck with talking points that actually defy reality. Many of the plans canceled were actually pretty good, some like my wife's were great. And most of the replacements on the exchange are more expensive, both in premiums and deductibles. I ask you, what good is a $200.00 reduction in premium per month, if the deductible goes up by $4,000 - $8,000?

We were involved in a very bad accident last year. My wife spent 21 days in the hospital with 5-6 surgeries. Every penny of it (and that included the $30,000 helicopter transport) was covered since we had met our $2,700 deductible for the year. Are you ready? The bill came to over $350,000.

So don't tell me her plan is junk. Do you hear me DU, I DON"T WANT TO HEAR IT. Her plan will be canceled next year because it doesn't meet the standards set in the ACA. I'm just beside myself over this. This needs to be fixed, now. Not yesterday, and not with some bull**** one year delay. This rollout is a nightmare, and it ain't going away by putting a bandaid on a sucking chest wound.

And just to be clear, I think the general concept of the ACA is a great idea. But I have to honest, the rollout is sucking big time.
 
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People like that last guy really irritate me. He's really pissed b/c his wife's plan was affected. Still doesn't change the fact that he supports the concept. What he's saying is, "I support ACA as long as my family and I aren't affected by the consequences."

He's probably the same type that is OK with tax hikes on others to pay for worthless programs he supports....as long as it isn't he or his family who have to foot the bill through higher taxes.

I'm glad he's got to deal with this one.
 
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The insurance companies should say too damn late & make this moron of a president sink with his ship. They had 3 years to get it right & now they want insurance companies to undo his mess in less than a month for the ones he screwed & lied to.
 
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