Even If We Had Won, The Officiating Needs Addressing

[grobin4300]

I just don't like that Turner is starting as he and Bowden BOTH need to come off the bench as I like Pons for his defense to start games as it sets a precedence and also it gets Schofield and Williams involved early in the game as the offense is centered around both of them when Pons starts. Barnes sometimes out coaches himself and that is what Texas always complained about and the fact he could never win close tight games.....but I do like what Barnes has done for Tennessee

 

[VOLED]

Pons didn't walk, he was called for a phantom offensive foul, one of about 5 on us in the game.

the reason that the phantom call was made was Will Wade acting like a 4 year old girl on every call. They would call a T on LSU and Wade would pitch a hissy fit, and there would be an immediate "make up" call. They refs did it after both Ts.

 

[Vol49er]

It's fascinating how you expect officials to be perfect but excuse piss-poor play. The minute a team is perfect is when you can blame refs for the loss.

Never said officials should be perfect. You said players should be perfect though. But officials should not make so many extremely obvious mistakes that disproportionately affect one team

 

[onevol74]

I did not see anything different in officiating in this game than any other SEC game. I watch very little college basketball now because the game has no credibility due to the officiating. And SEC football is the same way.

 

[whobethis16]

Never said officials should be perfect. You said players should be perfect though. But officials should not make so many extremely obvious mistakes that disproportionately affect one team

Again, grab a whistle and do better, if you think you can. Don't blame refs when there is so much that the team should've done better to win.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The make up calls are especially frustrating. When the refs miss a call and expect a TN player to be called for a touch foul. LSU literally throws a TN player to the ground, a flagrant foul is correctly assessed, Will Wade has a hissy fit over it, and the weak ass refs immediately call a foul on Kyle. Refs really make CBB hard to watch.

 

[Mightyvol]

Grab a whistle then. Every officiating organization is always looking for new officials. You seem to know more than they do, get out there.

I played at the college level, did you? The best refs are consistent in their calls so players can adjust and develop game rhythm. You don't win many games when the opponent make double the number of free throws and that is a function of adjusting play to the way the game is being called, if you can. LSU made 24 free throws, TN attempted 16, made 12. Very few teams overcome this stat to win. TN takes a loss and moves on. But refs aren't perfect and the do have bias, like all of us.

 

[Vol49er]

Again, grab a whistle and do better, if you think you can. Don't blame refs when there is so much that the team should've done better to win.

I could say the same to you, grab a basketball and do better than the players

 

[Rushin Orange Collusion]

Crying and blaming the officials for the loss when they play like that is a cop-out and shows entitlement. If they played perfect, then yeah, that's the refs fault. But when they screw themselves over that much, blaming the refs is nothing but being a whiny baby. Grow a pair, and play better.

Actually, the refs should grow a pair and ref better! I thought it was poorly officiated.

 

[A-RodWiLks]

Again, grab a whistle and do better, if you think you can. Don't blame refs when there is so much that the team should've done better to win.

Lol dude, just stop.

 

[1974Vol]

Let a freshman guard drive to the basket at will the entire second half.

I'm not saying their weren't some bad calls, but LSU was the more aggressive team offensively for the most part. Imo.

Bone, Bowden, and Admiral all had 4 fouls down the stretch and in OT so they couldn't play as aggressively as they wanted on LSU drivers. That left Tuner on Guess (think thats the LSU guards name?) Turner is not a bad on ball defender but we would want Bowden or Bone on that guy if they didn't have 4 fouls. I don't get how Grant gets hammered at the rim all day and no calls but LSU drivers got bailed out with nominal contact fouls when they drove it. Just want some consistency. Fouls always gonna go home teams way and we had our chances to win. Just some bad decisions in clutch time all day, Turner taking an off balance 3 on our last possession being a good example. Grant needs that touch and he either scores or gets fouled or both. Anyway tough loss but everything we want is still on the table just got to go get it.

 

[Freak]

Bone, Bowden, and Admiral all had 4 fouls down the stretch and in OT so they couldn't play as aggressively as they wanted on LSU drivers. That left Tuner on Guess (think thats the LSU guards name?) Turner is not a bad on ball defender but we would want Bowden or Bone on that guy if they didn't have 4 fouls. I don't get how Grant gets hammered at the rim all day and no calls but LSU drivers got bailed out with nominal contact fouls when they drove it. Just want some consistency. Fouls always gonna go home teams way and we had our chances to win. Just some bad decisions in clutch time all day, Turner taking an off balance 3 on our last possession being a good example. Grant needs that touch and he either scores or gets fouled or both. Anyway tough loss but everything we want is still on the table just got to go get it.

Fair points, I just felt like throughout the game we settled for a lot of jump shots instead of getting the ball in the paint and/or attacking the basket, thus the reason we didn't get to the line much.

 

[indian rick]

Guess i got my answer, but how do you as a ref; take it upon yourself to influence the outcome of a basketball game at that point. Still, we should have held our lead.

 

[1974Vol]

I played at the college level, did you? The best refs are consistent in their calls so players can adjust and develop game rhythm. You don't win many games when the opponent make double the number of free throws and that is a function of adjusting play to the way the game is being called, if you can. LSU made 24 free throws, TN attempted 16, made 12. Very few teams overcome this stat to win. TN takes a loss and moves on. But refs aren't perfect and the do have bias, like all of us.

I made this same point about the Kentucky game. No calls in the first half and a whistle on every bump in the second. The high end college games have gotten just as physical and fast as the NBA and the officiating hasn't kept up. Almost the same with football. The SEC is now a multi-billion dollar a year entertainment juggernaut. Hire some “professional” officials; pay them six figure incomes and all their expenses. The refs shouldn’t have to be selling insurance to make a living. They need to be training, watching film, and being graded just like the players year round. The crew today wanted to get it right as evidenced by all the video looks but they were just too inconsistent for a game of this magnitude.

 

[cncchris33]

Bone, Bowden, and Admiral all had 4 fouls down the stretch and in OT so they couldn't play as aggressively as they wanted on LSU drivers. That left Tuner on Guess (think thats the LSU guards name?) Turner is not a bad on ball defender but we would want Bowden or Bone on that guy if they didn't have 4 fouls. I don't get how Grant gets hammered at the rim all day and no calls but LSU drivers got bailed out with nominal contact fouls when they drove it. Just want some consistency. Fouls always gonna go home teams way and we had our chances to win. Just some bad decisions in clutch time all day, Turner taking an off balance 3 on our last possession being a good example. Grant needs that touch and he either scores or gets fouled or both. Anyway tough loss but everything we want is still on the table just got to go get it.

Turner is a better defender than Bone.

 

[whobethis16]

I played at the college level, did you? The best refs are consistent in their calls so players can adjust and develop game rhythm. You don't win many games when the opponent make double the number of free throws and that is a function of adjusting play to the way the game is being called, if you can. LSU made 24 free throws, TN attempted 16, made 12. Very few teams overcome this stat to win. TN takes a loss and moves on. But refs aren't perfect and the do have bias, like all of us.

So, if equal free throws is the standard for a "fair game", in your eyes a team that gets 10 And 1s (10 foul shots, 10 fouls) is equal to the team that missed all the shots (10 shots, 5 fouls) right? There is NO number of fouls called or free throws that automatically make it evenly called.

 

[tbones0711]

Officiating was bad but the Vols blew it:
--7 pt lead and a flagrant 1 foul on LSU: LT missed both free throws and Pons walked in the open court, Vols gave up a 3 and it was on
--Had a 5 pt lead iwith 1:57 left and the ball.

LSU was more physical, more confident and just flat out tougher than the Vols all day. Let a freshman guard drive to the basket at will the entire second half. Beat the Vols without their best player in the line up.

Vols have lost their edge and at times looked scared today. Then still have a shot to win at the end and Lamonte Turner takes a terrible shot and then fouls a guy on the other end of the floor with less than a second left. Dumb basketball

I'm tired of watching Turner thinking he's gonna be a hero and tired of the refs favoring any team. The no-call on Admiral's drive right after OT started made it a no-doubter because LSU got the calls even when UT barely touched an LSU player yet we don't get a call when it's visible to everyone. It simply impacts the game in an unfair manner. If it's gonna be this way the coaches need to have a challenge rule. Might sound crazy but MLB started doing it. Going to the extreme you can't rule out game fixing. That's sad but some one needs to tell me why we don't get a critical and obvious call that could have an impact on our entire season.

 

[feathersax]

Gotta get the blue hairs to give up their seats which isnt possible due to the lifetime seats issue.

You should pony $$$ up, bucko.

 

[1985Vols]

Gotta get the blue hairs to give up their seats which isnt possible due to the lifetime seats issue.

I'm a blue hair that sits right next to the student section by the band. I've been to every game this season, I cheer louder than most of the students around me. The only student section that gets rowdy is behind the goal. The others that sit across the court from our bench mainly just sit and text on their phones.

 

[Cartervol]

Got to go back to playing inside out. We're settling for jump shots. Passing the ball sloppy. This team still hasn't figured out that defense will decide how far they go. You can't let freshman drive uncontested time and time again to the basket. Just too easy. They better reset their minds to play better on the defenive side of the ball or it's just not going to end well.

 

[Cdywolfe]

I also believe Reid’s foul at the beginning should’ve been an F2 and he should’ve been tossed.

 

[tbones0711]

It really bothers me that we seem to be relying on the jump shot more than we did earlier in the year. I understand it's necessary sometimes, but at times it seems like we have no interest in attacking the rim. Idk.

That's our bread and butter and should be 1st look. Let Grant decide because he's good at kicking the ball back out to the more open shooter. The ball hasn't been falling for us at the rate it was earlier in the season. I've come to expect a miss when Turner shoots from outside anymore. I can't explain that one but we're running out of time. CRB seems to be favoring Turner over Bowden but one of them needs to step up NOW!!! The rest of the team seems to be playing well. Bone isn't as crisp passing as are others and they are under-estimating our opponents speed to the ball. You have to play alert ball every second and break fast on both sides of the ball. We lose a lot of points by not hustling on a fast break because Bone is there with the ball and no one else is with him. That's the best time to attack and get to the rim because if you don't make the shot it's usually because you got fouled.

 

[Mightyvol]

So, if equal free throws is the standard for a "fair game", in your eyes a team that gets 10 And 1s (10 foul shots, 10 fouls) is equal to the team that missed all the shots (10 shots, 5 fouls) right? There is NO number of fouls called or free throws that automatically make it evenly called.

Re-read my post. It is self explanatory. UT either didn't adjust or couldn't to the officials and that made it extremely difficult to win. Game over, it is what it is.

 

[Novolnotme]

Tennessee has been the physical team all year long. UK was more physical in that game a layed the blueprint for how to beat the Vols. Just be more physical. LSU learned well. As for the officiating, there are bad/missed calls in every game. It’s unfortunate but will never completely go away!!

 

[teeball]

Crying and blaming the officials for the loss when they play like that is a cop-out and shows entitlement. If they played perfect, then yeah, that's the refs fault. But when they screw themselves over that much, blaming the refs is nothing but being a whiny baby. Grow a pair, and play better.

Yeah ... never blame the refs, just play better. Go tell the New Orleans Saints that bad calls are just an excuse and that they are just whiny babies ... sheesh !!!