Evan Berry Kick Return Fumble

[shoney]

No one has called it targeting except our fans, not one single ref, or expert, no one. Don't you find that the least bit odd?

Maybe, just maybe, it was a legal hit, that we as fans didn't like, because of the outcome. That play happens on every hard hit kickoff return

If the play were reversed, and a Tennessee player hit an A&M player and caused a fumble, our fans would be celebrating the big hit. If they called it targeting on us this place would go nuclear.💥💣

 

[UT_Tix79]

I've watched it enough.

I just watched it again, and Berry is on his back and looks to be rolling towards the ball when the A&M player slides in and hits him in the ear hole with his helmet.

I just don't see a penalty on that play, but you do, and there's nothing wrong with that. We seem to be arguing semantics

 

[Cdywolfe]

If the play was reversed, and a Tennessee player hit an A&M player and caused a fumble, our fans would be celebrating the big hit. If they called it targeting this place would go nuclear.:focus3:

I can speak for myself but....

I certainly wouldn't complain about the results but it wouldn't change the fact it would've still been a bad no-call.

 

[Cdywolfe]

I just watched it again, and Berry is on his back and looks to be rolling towards the ball when the A&M player slides in and hits him in the ear hole with his helmet.

I just don't see a penalty on that play, but you do, and there's nothing wrong with that. We seem to be arguing semantics

Fair enough...

 

[iBleedOrangeWhite]

Yep, Barnett was being held/tackled while trying to tackle Knight when Knight scored in OT.

Speaking of holding, was there a single holding call all game for either team? I can't remember any, but it was a crazy game so I could've missed one. If so, I can't remember many games where that's been the case.

 

[volfan102455]

I understand the intent of the targeting call but the thing is the plays that it tends to be called on are not the ones where these players are getting hurt by the helmet to helmet contact.

 

[TNBV]

Did everybody get a good look at the shot he took? Mouthpiece flew out and rigid arms when he hit the ground. That must the be the fastest pass of concussion protocol in sports history. He got absolutely lit up. I hope he's okay for next week, but more importantly, gets the treatment he deserves.

Also, I loved when Warrior crushed #12. That dude needed a dose of retribution.

They would have stopped the fight in UFC. clearly flash knock out

 

[TNBV]

You need to rewatch it, you can see him crawling and reaching for the ball, and then the A&M player slides in and Berry was out.

That is absolutely false. He went stiff the moment he was hit, before he hit the ground.

 

[TNBV]

He was running directly at Berry, aimed at his chest, Berry saw him and lowered his head to take the hit. Berry was fine after that hit, he got knocked out on the scrum for the ball when the A&M player dove in trying to recover it. That will never, and has never, been called.

You're grasping for straws, it's not a penalty, the only people calling it one are our fans, think about that. There were millions of people watching that game, and there's like 100 fans calling it targeting, that's it...

I am sorry but you are just wrong. I am not that concerned it was not called, but that is a penalty by definition. He led with the crown of his helmet and hit Berry right in the facemask. I don't think it was dirty but it was illegal.

 

[TNBV]

Speaking of holding, was there a single holding call all game for either team? I can't remember any, but it was a crazy game so I could've missed one. If so, I can't remember many games where that's been the case.

Not that I recall.

 

[RSATURDAY]

So I guess JRM is a POS? Or the played who hit #12 later? A lot of these plays are super fast, and it's hard to say they are doing it on purpose. Certainly some targeting is purposeful, but I'm not sure #12 was going there to KO Berry the same way JRM wasn't going out to hit the PR.

Knee jerk reaction whenever someone you cheer for is hit like that.

Comparing JRM's hit which was a split second and btw it was his shoulder to a helmet to number 12 leaving his feet spearing head first into someone's helmet is no where near the same.
On side note you must be half stupid to be a fan of UK football, I mean really dude? You are on a UT board repping UK.... Classic

 

[apevol]

Comparing JRM's hit which was a split second and btw it was his shoulder to a helmet to number 12 leaving his feet spearing head first into someone's helmet is no where near the same.
On side note you must be half stupid to be a fan of UK football, I mean really dude? You are on a UT board repping UK.... Classic

Leave my sister alone jerk!

 

[Kristy*]

They changed the rule this year. It's not only for defenseless players. As a ball carrier, if someone hits you with the crown of their helmet above the shoulders, it's targeting. Additionally, if someone leaves their feet in an upward trajectory and hits you above the shoulders, it's targeting.

This. He clearly lead with the crown of his helmet and shouldn't have still been in the game for the 2 calls that went his way.

 

[tennrich1]

So I guess JRM is a POS? Or the played who hit #12 later? A lot of these plays are super fast, and it's hard to say they are doing it on purpose. Certainly some targeting is purposeful, but I'm not sure #12 was going there to KO Berry the same way JRM wasn't going out to hit the PR.

Knee jerk reaction whenever someone you cheer for is hit like that.

Not a matter of intent. That's a FBI Hillary Clinton ruling.... I agree that most players don't intentional target someone but I did feel like that was close to targeting. I liked the intensity that #12 played with and that's A&M's "thing"...12th man and all which is a tradition in college football. But I thought Dobbs was hit a couple of times borderline and especially last week once. I just think the showmanship when targeting gets more attention and causes a penalty to be called when in fact by rule we see it more often and not called on mundane plays...just really a confusing rule and I'm sure its hard to spot sometimes and enforce. Games go so long now that if we previewed every big hit for targeting the game would last 6 hours instead of the 5 1/2 hours of yesterdays game....

 

[tennrich1]

I am sorry but you are just wrong. I am not that concerned it was not called, but that is a penalty by definition. He led with the crown of his helmet and hit Berry right in the facemask. I don't think it was dirty but it was illegal.

Yeah I agree with this...by the letter of the law...IT IS TARGETING...now having said that I do agree that it was NOT and intentional target and that Berry did lower his helmet a bit...BUT THE RULE THE WAY ITS STATED IS CLEAR...CANT LEAD WITH YOUR HEAD AND SAYS NOTHING ABOUT THE OTHER PLAYER "LOWERING" HIS HEAD AND CAUSING THE HIT...Just badly worded rule IMO....

 

[82_VOL_83]

This should have been a targeting call and we should have kept the ball.

Wouldn't we have actually moved them back 15 yards and rekicked? I thought about that far awhile last night. That also takes away an aTm TD plus that ****ty PF penalty on the ensuing kickoff. Would have been a game changer.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Officiating was absolutely brutal. Missed targeting, missed plenty of holds on A&M, a few questionable calls that shoudlve been pass interference, no review on Jennings possible catch (on the PI), no offsides calls on the left tackle (even though he made a habit of jumping early), etc.

JJ's was not a catch and it was clear.

 

[Vol24x7]

This doesn't have anything to do with the Berry hit. I don't know how the refs missed it but A&M had 15 defensive players on the field.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Targeting call is against defenseless players. Berry was the ball carrier and not defenseless. Very hard hit but not targeting.

BS. Need to read the rule.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbna...ebook-ncaa-football?client=ms-android-verizon

 

[82_VOL_83]

If you're running with the ball, then you're not considered a defenseless player, hence the no call. Sucks but seriously proud of this team they've played with so much heart the entire year. This loss has been the easiest for me to accept since I can remember

Wrong.

People should read the rule before espousing their ignorance.

 

[VolForLife83]

Did everybody get a good look at the shot he took? Mouthpiece flew out and rigid arms when he hit the ground. That must the be the fastest pass of concussion protocol in sports history. He got absolutely lit up. I hope he's okay for next week, but more importantly, gets the treatment he deserves.

Also, I loved when Warrior crushed #12. That dude needed a dose of retribution.

I thought he was knocked out. He was fencing for sure

 

[82_VOL_83]

Warrior hit and #12 cheap shot.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbna...ng-cullen-gillaspia?client=ms-android-verizon

 

[RollerVol]

With the time we had left on the clock and the 2 timeouts, I think we could've got in field goal range. I think they should've tried.

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GO VOLS!

 

[Wilhelm16]

The refs were clearly in the bag for A&M. I hate to say that considering we turned the ball over 6 times (I refuse to count Berry's fumble on the no call). They did everything in their power to shorten the field for A&M

 

[Cdywolfe]

I just can't overstate what a massive blow we took as a result from that hit and the subsequent no-call. We lost Berry for the game, we lost possession and gave them a sort field (which lead to a TD), and it lead to massive field possession shifts on 2 future drives from peneties against a player that shouldn't be watching from the locker room.

And though it's the worst, it was simply one of around a dozen potential game changing bad calls that all went against the Vols.