EU and the failing socialist experiment

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#151
Vol8188 said:
Not even slightly. I believe in neither nationalism nor globalism because they're both authoritarian (just like republicans and democrats). I believe in individualism and free market capitalism.
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Borders help ensure a nation's sovereignty first and that in turn helps to ensure the mechanisms by which capitalism and individualism can thrive. Borders and sound immigration policy also ensure that local municipalities/infrastructure are not overrun and unduly burdened financially.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You really don't believe taxation is theft? You believe taking money from people at gun point is somehow acceptable?
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Excessive taxation is theft. We all have different views on what is excessive.

Yes your property is yours. The fact that the government can legally take our property doesn't make it acceptable.
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Well, NO, "your" property is not "yours". The rest of the community has a right to expect you to participate in paying your fair share of public utilities and conveniences you use, and enjoy, and made safer through their existence and upkeep. As long as you pay your property taxes and do not use your property for illegal activities that can and should result in seizure for the common good, you get left alone. Otherwise, me and my neighbors expect the authorities with jurisdiction to do their job and sieze it. Maybe it'll abut my land and I can get a good deal at the courthouse steps.

And bankruptcy law is completely seperate from this. You owe someone a debt and should pay your debt. That's something you willingly accepted and should repay. Especially if your land was collateral for that debt.
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At least you pay your debts.


I'm pretty sure Karl Marx would have agreed with your pro tax and anti property rights ideas
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eff that sheit
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
You don't get to use the roads the rest of us built with taxes to get your stuff to market. We were here first. Drive your truck out on our highway and we'll confiscate it. At gunpoint.
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Lol wtf are you even talking about? I respond about individualism and free markets to someone mentioning globalism and you respond with this?
 
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Vol737 said:
Borders help ensure a nation's sovereignty first and that in turn helps to ensure the mechanisms by which capitalism and individualism can thrive. Borders and sound immigration policy also ensure that local municipalities/infrastructure are not overrun and unduly burdened financially.
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Border control stands and opposition to both individualism and free markets. What mechcanisms are they ensuring? What are they protecting us from? The two things you mentioned are both taken care of by free markets.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Because you're telling me what I can and cannot do with my property. You're telling me I cannot move in immigrants unless they've been vetted nor can I hire them.

That directly interferes with my property rights
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sounds like you are running a business. in this case the .gov isn't saying you can't rent out your property, but that you can't do it to illegals.

and again hiring is business/commerce not property.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Border control stands and opposition to both individualism and free markets. What mechcanisms are they ensuring? What are they protecting us from? The two things you mentioned are both taken care of by free markets.
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it stops someone from taking advantage. governments evolved in a response to "free markets without regulation". nothing to stop the rich from getting richer, at least with a government there are rules they have to follow. now those rules need to be rewritten or enforced but no laws = chaos. chaos is bad for business. great example is the American Navy shutting down pirates everywhere (+95%) and allowed trade to boom in certain areas that were drastically hindered by the lack of a government presence allowing the pirates to operate. SE Asia, lower Caribbean, Ivory Coast and the Gulf area.
 
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Vol8188 said:
If illegals cross the border, they'll move into your house without your permission?
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If illegals cross the border they are or have been trespassing on somebody's land. Maybe if you invite them to your property, you may not consider that trespassing if you hold your ownership inviolate; but they are trespassing on somebody's property when they step off your land.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
Excessive taxation is theft. We all have different views on what is excessive.



Well, NO, "your" property is not "yours". The rest of the community has a right to expect you to participate in paying your fair share of public utilities and conveniences you use, and enjoy, and made safer through their existence and upkeep. As long as you pay your property taxes and do not use your property for illegal activities that can and should result in seizure for the common good, you get left alone. Otherwise, me and my neighbors expect the authorities with jurisdiction to do their job and sieze it. Maybe it'll abut my land and I can get a good deal at the courthouse steps.



At least you pay your debts.




eff that sheit
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Any level of taxation is theft. You're stealing money from others at gun point.

The rest of your community has rights to your property and you have to pay your fair share and the common good? You need to put down the communist manifesto, stop with the "common good" stupidity and learn the word individualism.

Public utilities? I have no obligation to put power or water on my property.

Illegal activities? Unless you harm another person, what activity should be illegal? What happened to land of the free?
 
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AM64 said:
If illegals cross the border they are or have been trespassing on somebody's land. Maybe if you invite them to your property, you may not consider that trespassing if you hold your ownership inviolate; but they are trespassing on somebody's property when they step off your land.
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Whose land are they trespassing on? There's a ton of land that is not privately held. Especially in the western part of the state.
 
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LouderVol said:
sounds like you are running a business. in this case the .gov isn't saying you can't rent out your property, but that you can't do it to illegals.

and again hiring is business/commerce not property.
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Why do you support uneccessary regulations? Clearly there's a benefit to the business.
 
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interesting map. federally owned land. pretty safe bet if they are in the eastern US they have trespassed.

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Vol8188 said:
Whose land are they trespassing on? There's a ton of land that is not privately held. Especially in the western part of the state.
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While there are large parcels of federal land there is also a ton of privately owned "property". For you to assume they're not trespassing at some point further defines your level of ignorance.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Border control stands and opposition to both individualism and free markets. What mechcanisms are they ensuring? What are they protecting us from? The two things you mentioned are both taken care of by free markets.
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So anarchy and free markets work together huh? Who knew? Those virtual open borders of Germany and other European countries are working out so well.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
While there are large parcels of federal land there is also a ton of privately owned "property". For you to assume they're not trespassing at some point further defines your level of ignorance.
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If someone is violating someone's personal property charge them with that. But crossing a border harms no one
 
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LouderVol said:
which? you running an illegal rental unit or you doing repairs?
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Idk what you're even talking about when you say repairs. I've not mentioned anything about repairs?

But if a business owner (property manager/owner) wants to rent to illegals, that's their decision.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Whose land are they trespassing on? There's a ton of land that is not privately held. Especially in the western part of the state.
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You think it's not possible to trespass on public land? For the record public land would be owned by US citizens (collectively) and not people here illegally.
 
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AM64 said:
You think it's not possible to trespass on public land? For the record public land would be owned by US citizens (collectively) and not people here illegally.
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The massive amount of public land that exists is part of the problem. But the idea that walking across a public road into a different country is a crime is insane. The crime should be the police stopping every single person who tries to drive down that road without probable cause
 
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tumscalcium said:
But they can leave freely over the imaginary line. Duuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Would you support extradition from one side of a fake line to another?
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For trespassing? No. That's wasted funds. For violent crime, yes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Idk what you're even talking about when you say repairs. I've not mentioned anything about repairs?

But if a business owner (property manager/owner) wants to rent to illegals, that's their decision.
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you said you were hiring them to work on your property, I assumed repairs. in which case I don't have a problem with, or other cosmetic changes. basically there is nothing for them to get wrong, and i believe an owner has the right to maintain what is there without government interference.

depending on what else they are doing I might also not have a problem with it, but without being exhaustive I can't go through a list. A basic line is new construction yes the government has a right to step in, not always the case but its a good generalization. the reason being is to protect the next owner from you doing shoddy work that ends up costing the next person. lots of that went on in the last boom. how many mcmansions are falling apart now? how many contractors built s**t buildings and then got out of the business or moved.

when it comes to the rental side you are running a business, so yes the government can step in and tell you what is acceptable. again it protects the consumer and the general well being of the public. A bunch of low quality apartments vs a bunch of high quality apartments, yes it makes a marked difference on the public at large.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Any level of taxation is theft. You're stealing money from others at gun point.

The rest of your community has rights to your property and you have to pay your fair share and the common good? You need to put down the communist manifesto, stop with the "common good" stupidity and learn the word individualism.

Public utilities? I have no obligation to put power or water on my property.

Illegal activities? Unless you harm another person, what activity should be illegal? What happened to land of the free?
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Your dingdongishness renders you not worth the time to read your drivel.
 
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