EU and the failing socialist experiment

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tumscalcium said:
Wow, you're trying to break your own record for most flat-out retarded posts in one thread. Kudos to you sir, starting the season out strong.
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Kudos to you sir, for being a proud defender of socialism and government expansion.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Right. Blame capitalism for the problems created by socialism. You sure you're not a communist?
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What the actual truck are you talking about? I said no welfare and keep the borders and fewer regulations how am I blaming capitalism or forgiving socialism?

Am I the only one confused?
 
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LouderVol said:
What the actual truck are you talking about? I said no welfare and keep the borders and fewer regulations how am I blaming capitalism or forgiving socialism?

Am I the only one confused?
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He doesn't even know himself. It's like he has Tourette's of the ass or diarrhea of the mouth or whatever......
 
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Carl Pickens said:
I'm beginning to think you may be too damn dumb to talk to.
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It's a valid question. You claim that unless we limit immigration, we are not a country. Am I correct?

We have only been doing that for how long? Since 1920, roughly?
 
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LouderVol said:
What the actual truck are you talking about? I said no welfare and keep the borders and fewer regulations how am I blaming capitalism or forgiving socialism?

Am I the only one confused?
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You argued that we have to accept the reality of regulations and that in reality free markets only work on paper. You're blaming capitalism (by claiming free markets only work on paper) for the failures of socialism (government regulation).
 
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Vol8188 said:
I answered your question with a question, because it's flawed.

You're clearly working under the absurd assumption that countries, states, and territories only exist if they actively guard their borders.

So do you not believe TN is a state? And should TN do a better job of enforcing its borders?
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If it means keeping you the f out then yes.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You argued that we have to accept the reality of regulations and that in reality free markets only work on paper. You're blaming capitalism (by claiming free markets only work on paper) for the failures of socialism (government regulation).
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Regulations start with the failures of the free market. In my business we got tired of people designing and building crap that killed people. And they didn't stop or change. So the government steps in. Asbestos is a good example. Or arsenic in our food or those dumbass politicians in WV getting sick drinking unpasteurized milk after removing the regulations.

Regulations are needed to an extent. Totally free market is just as bad as totally regulated.

Again the proof is in the pudding. You want more workers and yet we weren't and aren't experiencing any growth from what you are proposing. The workers only help the company not the national economy. Look at SE Asia, huge migrant worker force, not helping. China has like 40 million unemployed, really helping their economy. Mexico had all these workers no boom there.
 
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LouderVol said:
Regulations start with the failures of the free market. In my business we got tired of people designing and building crap that killed people. And they didn't stop or change. So the government steps in. Asbestos is a good example. Or arsenic in our food or those dumbass politicians in WV getting sick drinking unpasteurized milk after removing the regulations.

Regulations are needed to an extent. Totally free market is just as bad as totally regulated.

Again the proof is in the pudding. You want more workers and yet we weren't and aren't experiencing any growth from what you are proposing. The workers only help the company not the national economy. Look at SE Asia, huge migrant worker force, not helping. China has like 40 million unemployed, really helping their economy. Mexico had all these workers no boom there.
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He'll reply with some stupid unrelated question.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's a valid question. You claim that unless we limit immigration, we are not a country. Am I correct?

We have only been doing that for how long? Since 1920, roughly?
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Ugh.... No I'm not. I'm saying it's not wise to not limit immigration.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You avoided the question. Are you trying to claim you cannot have a state or country without having controlled borders?
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Carl Pickens said:
Country yes..... Otherwise it's a region
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Vol8188 said:
It's a valid question. You claim that unless we limit immigration, we are not a country. Am I correct?

We have only been doing that for how long? Since 1920, roughly?
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Carl Pickens said:
Ugh.... No I'm not. I'm saying it's not wise to not limit immigration.
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You clearly stated we were only a country if we enforced immigration. Now it's not relevant to the definition of a country?

Moving target
 
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LouderVol said:
Regulations start with the failures of the free market. In my business we got tired of people designing and building crap that killed people. And they didn't stop or change. So the government steps in. Asbestos is a good example. Or arsenic in our food or those dumbass politicians in WV getting sick drinking unpasteurized milk after removing the regulations.

Regulations are needed to an extent. Totally free market is just as bad as totally regulated.

Again the proof is in the pudding. You want more workers and yet we weren't and aren't experiencing any growth from what you are proposing. The workers only help the company not the national economy. Look at SE Asia, huge migrant worker force, not helping. China has like 40 million unemployed, really helping their economy. Mexico had all these workers no boom there.
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Yes, the socialist version of history that you're taught says that these regulations were wonderful and that businesses would have no incentive to not kill their employees or their customers without them.

The truth is that technology made jobs safer. Not regulations. And if you want to work in an unsafe environment or purchase unsafe products, that's your decision.

They do the same with economics. They blame free markets for the depression and every other market crash, when in reality the fed and regulations are almost always to blame.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You clearly stated we were only a country if we enforced immigration. Now it's not relevant to the definition of a country?

Moving target
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A country must have defined and controlled borders .... It should also have immigration controls in place. I'm not saying absolutely no immigration, but I get the feeling you believe everyone who wants to migrate to the U.S. should be allowed to do so. Is this correct? If not make your damn point and stop f****** around.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
A country must have defined and controlled borders .... It should also have immigration controls in place. I'm not saying absolutely no immigration, but I get the feeling you believe everyone who wants to migrate to the U.S. should be allowed to do so. Is this correct? If not make your damn point and stop f****** around.
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It's simple:

A country only needs borders to define jurisdiction. Nothing more. When you start wasting money to stop everyone who is attempting to pass, you interfere with my property rights.

If my business decides to hire an immigrant, it should be up to that business and no one else. The government should not tell them who they can and cannot hire. The same if I decide to rent my property to someone.

Our national border should work exactly the same as a state border
 
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Vol8188 said:
It's simple:

A country only needs borders to define jurisdiction. Nothing more. When you start wasting money to stop everyone who is attempting to pass, you interfere with my property rights.

If my business decides to hire an immigrant, it should be up to that business and no one else. The government should not tell them who they can and cannot hire. The same if I decide to rent my property to someone.

Our national border should work exactly the same as a state border
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No. It shouldn't

An open border only entices and draws in the worse kind.
If folks want in, make the do it the right way.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Yes, the socialist version of history that you're taught says that these regulations were wonderful and that businesses would have no incentive to not kill their employees or their customers without them.

The truth is that technology made jobs safer. Not regulations. And if you want to work in an unsafe environment or purchase unsafe products, that's your decision.

They do the same with economics. They blame free markets for the depression and every other market crash, when in reality the fed and regulations are almost always to blame.
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Lol.
 
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Obsessed said:
No. It shouldn't

An open border only entices and draws in the worse kind.
If folks want in, make the do it the right way.
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Huh? How do open borders entice the wrong people? You believe murders and rapist are going to leave South America where they're almost certain to get away with it, to come here?
 
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