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jakez4ut said:
yep. now, on PTI last night they did offer the caveat that getting Kiffin Sr. would be quite the coup.....they discounted Lane in and of himself, but the package was well worth it.....

kind of a back handed compliment there, but i think most will acknowledge when it's all said and done, the staff will be outsanding.
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It may be stretching things a little, but when our staff is done there will probably be an NFL team or two wishing their staff looked as good.
 
#52
#52
getyopopcornready said:
When MH hired Kiffin i dont think he was just looking for an instant impact coach such as Saban, Meyer, Gruden, etc.. I think he was thinking more along the lines of long-term success because that's one benefit he did sell to Kiffin is the history of coaches that have been here and how long UT likes to keep its coaches around.. and ofcourse hearing this from MH it was like music to his ears considering his last boss guarantees anything but long-term.. You throw in his age, the benefits UT has of keeping a coach possibly for lifetime and the staff he is capable of putting together and you've got the best hire MH could have made of what was available... I just dont see why anyone, who knows anything about the game, could disagree with this hire
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nobody hires a coach with plans on firing him 2-3 years.

that said, i agree. i think one of hte things TN had in its pocket to sell to any potential coach was stability. we have a track record of stability at the HC position.
 
#53
#53
volmanbill said:
It may be stretching things a little, but when our staff is done there will probably be an NFL team or two wishing their staff looked as good.
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probably. but if you do believe what you read.......there will be more than a couple of college programs thinking that.
 
#54
#54
getyopopcornready said:
When MH hired Kiffin i dont think he was just looking for an instant impact coach such as Saban, Meyer, Gruden, etc.. I think he was thinking more along the lines of long-term success because that's one benefit he did sell to Kiffin is the history of coaches that have been here and how long UT likes to keep its coaches around.. and ofcourse hearing this from MH it was like music to his ears considering his last boss guarantees anything but long-term.. You throw in his age, the benefits UT has of keeping a coach possibly for lifetime and the staff he is capable of putting together and you've got the best hire MH could have made of what was available... I just dont see why anyone, who knows anything about the game, could disagree with this hire
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Exactly. I'm failing, in any way, to see how Kiffin is a downgrade over Fulmer. When you compare Kiffin/staff to any other HC/staff candidates then Kiffin/staff comes out ahead. I'm sure Kelly/Leach/Davis are great coaches but they would not have assembled a staff anywhere close to the one Kiffin's bringing and only Davis would be close to as good of a recruiter. The more I think about, the happier I am.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Exactly. I'm failing, in any way, to see how Kiffin is a downgrade over Fulmer. When you compare Kiffin/staff to any other HC/staff candidates then Kiffin/staff comes out ahead. I'm sure Kelly/Leach/Davis are great coaches but they would not have assembled a staff anywhere close to the one Kiffin's bringing and only Davis would be close to as good of a recruiter. The more I think about, the happier I am.
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Exactly right, for the complainers, who would be better, who has more up-side, this coach seems to know everybody, have connections in every cubby hole in the country. I agree, Kelly/Leach/Davis, solid coaches every one, but from a staff and recruiting point, how can you not get jazzed-up?(at least a little)
 
#56
#56
I totally agree. Most of the football world is probably just jealous that a guy like CLK got a head coaching job in the NFL and at a premiere SEC school like Tennessee, all before the age of 40. Skip Bayless is an absolute retard!!!! Everytime I watch that show, he just blows my mind with some of his comments. As far as the Two Live Stews go, they should go back to Atlanta and stay there. They are probably sensitive to the fact that UT didnt go after a Black coach. Like you said, all I care about are the men he coached under, the players he coached, and his all out ability to coach and recruit.
 
#60
#60
Did I hear Skip Clueless right? I think I heard him say Coach Kiffin was the reason the Raiders were dysfunctional. Come on now this guy can't be serious. I was watching First and 10 last week and these other two boobs were "offended" because they had Michael Vick in handcuffs on his way into his hearing. I think it shows where these other two are coming from, imagine an convicted felon in handcuffs. Can ESPN not do better than this?
 
#61
#61
Screw all those national media guys! I'm more concerned about how the program is being run and how our team represents than what all the so called experts think.
 
#63
#63
jakez4ut said:
this racial issue has been brought up since Saturday.
Spencer Tillman asserted that Charlie Strong was more qualified for this job than Lane Kiffin and that he didn't get an opportunity to go thru the process at TN was wrong.

i've since heard it several more times.

i think it's garbage obviously, but for anyone that didn't think this was a high profile job, i think you now have your answer.

if people didn't care or think it wasn't newsworthy, no one would talk about it at all.

it comes with the territory.......and it won't go away until we win something.
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I don't know that I'd agree that it's "garbage"; IMO it's a legitimate issue to at least talk about. Public norms follow the law, in general, and the Rooney Rule has given people the expectation that black coaches will have "access" to the hiring process. It's considered a success in the NFL, so now people have the same expectations for college teams.

The problem with making direct comparisons is that the hiring process is completely different in college. In the NFL, it's all out in the open -- the Rooney Rule requires it, almost all interviewing and hiring happens in the offseason, etc. In college, though, there's all this cloak and dagger stuff going on. The public can't even tell who the serious candidates are, much less who's really getting interviewed, who has "access to the process," and so on. The standard college coaching search has the AD denying up until the last second that he's talked with anybody, and then abruptly here he is walking down the aisle with somebody else's coach. How in the world are we supposed to tell if minority candidates are getting "enough" access when that's the process?

I don't think Tennessee did anything "wrong" here, obviously. There's just no way to apply the standards of the Rooney Rule to the vastly different hiring procedure in college.

And your point about this scrutiny indicating that Tennessee is a high-profile job is a great one.
 
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#64
Volsaholic said:
Skip Bayless is an entertainer, his job is to cause controversy
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Skip Bayless is Nancy Reagan.

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He's always reminded me of a drag queen.
 
#65
#65
Vercingetorix said:
I don't know that I'd agree that it's "garbage"; IMO it's a legitimate issue to at least talk about. Public norms follow the law, in general, and the Rooney Rule has given people the expectation that black coaches will have "access" to the hiring process. It's considered a success in the NFL, so now people have the same expectations for college teams.

The problem with making direct comparisons is that the hiring process is completely different in college. In the NFL, it's all out in the open -- the Rooney Rule requires it, almost all interviewing and hiring happens in the offseason, etc. In college, though, there's all this cloak and dagger stuff going on. The public can't even tell who the serious candidates are, much less who's really getting interviewed, who has "access to the process," and so on. The standard college coaching search has the AD denying up until the last second that he's talked with anybody, and then abruptly here he is walking down the aisle with somebody else's coach. How in the world are we supposed to tell if minority candidates are getting "enough" access when that's the process?

I don't think Tennessee did anything "wrong" here, obviously. There's just no way to apply the standards of the Rooney Rule to the vastly different hiring procedure in college.

And your point about this scrutiny indicating that Tennessee is a high-profile job is a great one.
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that's why i thought it was garbage. not that i don't think minorities should be given opportunites equal to any other race.

it just came off to me almost like they were accusing TN of being racist in their approach, w/out knowing who was talked to, who showed iinterest etc.....
 
#66
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jakez4ut said:
this racial issue has been brought up since Saturday.
Spencer Tillman asserted that Charlie Strong was more qualified for this job than Lane Kiffin and that he didn't get an opportunity to go thru the process at TN was wrong.

i've since heard it several more times.

i think it's garbage obviously, but for anyone that didn't think this was a high profile job, i think you now have your answer.

if people didn't care or think it wasn't newsworthy, no one would talk about it at all.

it comes with the territory.......and it won't go away until we win something.
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On paper, Charlie Strong probably is more qualified. But Kiffin would have been gone had we waited for Strong's season to end. Hamilton felt Kiffin was the guy and didn't want to risk losing him.
 
#68
#68
Skip Bayless is an absolute moron. I watch the show pretty frequently because I don't have anything better to do, and time and time again, he turns out to be wrong on every issue.

One of my favorites was his bashing of Kevin Garnett last year, and how the Celtics wouldn't win, and all that garbage....at one point he even called him Kevin GarNOT.....ahh, his endless wittiness cannot be surpassed.
 
#69
#69
Georgia Vol said:
On paper, Charlie Strong probably is more qualified. But Kiffin would have been gone had we waited for Strong's season to end. Hamilton felt Kiffin was the guy and didn't want to risk losing him.
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oh i understand what happened just fine.

it's the reaction to it that people will have to rationalize on their own.

this is but one such reaction, and it just so happened to ruffle my feathers......the rest have been pretty much what i expected it to be, and as such, of no consequence to me or my opinion on this hire.
 
#70
#70
My worry is not the talking heads. It's how Lane will recruit. I think he will be fine. I like the hire no matter what some the "experts" in the media say.
 
#73
#73
gainesvol82 said:
There seems to be a lot of resentment of Kiffin in the football world. Most of it seems like unwarranted jealousy because he didn't have to "pay his dues" for 20 years before getting a shot like most HC's. The only opinions I care about are the men that Kiffin coached under and the players that he coached.
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His players in Oakland loved him! They wanted him to stay and some of the other members of the coaching staff to go. I think that says a lot about his character and abilities.
When CPF held his press conference, all the media said we needed "a rock star" of a coach to turn things around. I believe that is exactly what we got!
 
#74
#74
jakez4ut said:
yep. now, on PTI last night they did offer the caveat that getting Kiffin Sr. would be quite the coup.....they discounted Lane in and of himself, but the package was well worth it.....

kind of a back handed compliment there, but i think most will acknowledge when it's all said and done, the staff will be outsanding.
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Wilbon also managed to get in his little dig about 10 wins apparently not being enough in CFB these days.

Whenever Fulmer was fired, he was on there moaning and groaning about the 10 wins last year (in 14 games played) and playing in the SEC title game (without mentioning no wins in said game since 1998).

He doesn't seem to understand that just because 10 wins and a conference title once every, I dunno, 150 years is awesome at Northwestern doesn't make it too special at a legitimate program.
 
#75
#75
tidwell said:
Wilbon also managed to get in his little dig about 10 wins apparently not being enough in CFB these days.

Whenever Fulmer was fired, he was on there moaning and groaning about the 10 wins last year (in 14 games played) and playing in the SEC title game (without mentioning no wins in said game since 1998).

He doesn't seem to understand that just because 10 wins and a conference title once every, I dunno, 150 years is awesome at Northwestern doesn't make it too special at a legitimate program.
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yep. i remember that too. and agreed about NW.

but even more than that is that there is this notion out there (Gotfreid said the same thing about expecting 10+ wins next year, every year) that nothing less that 10+ wins is acceptable and you should expect to be fired when you don't get there at Tennessee.

yes, expectations exist. but good grief......Lane Kiffin isn't going to get run out of town for winning 7 or 8 games.

Fulmer would still be the coach today had he gotten 7 or 8 wins this season.
 
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