ESPN reporting Tennessee is offering La. Tech's White

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bleedingTNorange said:
Not according to most reports. It's the unwillingness of Hart to give him financial security in years 3 & 4.
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IYO what is he looking for?

Year 3?

Year 4?

Zo walked with a 1.3 million number in year 3. Is White looking for more than that in year 3? I have not done the research so I'd be curious to know if indeed Hart is going on the cheap or is White trying to leverage more than he is worth.
 
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SlyStone said:
Heard Bill King say this morning that if UT hires Mike White he would struggle mightily. He sounded very disappointed if UT went in this direction. Don't know enough about him (White) to agree or disagree with Bill King. Anyone else hear his comments this morning?
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What exactly did he base this on?
 
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RockyTop22 said:
So if we start winning in football again do you give credit to the washed up AD from FSU or does he only get the blame if we don't win? Lol you guys crack me up
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I'm not sure that I follow you logic or the lack of it, the fact that we hired a washed up AD from FSU won't change, it is was it is.

If we start winning in football again soon, Hart gets credit for hiring Butch, if that does lead to turning things around at UT then good for Hart, he did what he is paid to do at UT.

But, he will still be a that guy from FSU that took the job when everyone else that UT called wouldn't touch it.

I'm merely pointing out that the best and the brightest have serious reservations about coming to UT with all of the previous mismanagement, and fans should not expect any of that to change until we show major improvements, and it all starts with winning big in football again.

That is all.
 
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Wilson27 said:
I think the reason a lot are questioning him is because he wanted to keep Dooley and later tried to hire Strong.
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Don't recall him wanting to keep Dooley and if he did it was probably because Hammy had saddled UT with a $5million buyout.

The most well-endowed athletic department in the country just hired Strong, so I wouldn't say Hart was that off base for trying to hire him.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
IYO what is he looking for?

Year 3?

Year 4?

Zo walked with a 1.3 million number in year 3. Is White looking for more than that in year 3? I have not done the research so I'd be curious to know if indeed Hart is going on the cheap or is White trying to leverage more than he is worth.
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I've said I think he's looking for similar to Zo's original deal, 60% of remaining salary. Assuming $1.3 is the number...

Year 1: $3.12m
Year 2: $2.34m
Year 3: $1.56m
Year 4: $780k
Year 5: $0
 
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gunner said:
I'm not sure that I follow you logic or the lack of it, the fact that we hired a up AD from FSU won't change, it is was it is.

If we start winning in football again soon, Hart gets credit for hiring Butch, if that does lead to turning things around at UT then good for Hart, he did what he is paid to do at UT.

But, he will still be a that guy from FSU that took the job when everyone else that UT called wouldn't touch it.

I'm merely pointing out that the best and the brightest have serious reservations about coming to UT with all of the previous mismanagement, and fans should not expect any of that to change until we show major improvements, and it all starts with winning big in football again.

That is all.
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Well to start he came from Bama not FSU.....
 
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The real problem is we have seen this play out before and Hart should know a small conference coach with no true success will not work. Just look at:

The Clawfence, Dooley, Martin. Pay up and get a winner.
 
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The most consistent issue I'm hearing is over the buyout. And guaranteed money. As I have said , speculation on my part, but think that White wants a solid 4-5 year commitment that makes it difficult for either party to get out of.
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-VQ
 
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Spawn said:
The real problem is we have seen this play out before and Hart should know a small conference coach with no true success will not work. Just look at:

The Clawfence, Dooley, Martin. Pay up and get a winner.
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Bruce Pearl Wisconsin-Green Bay
 
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Are we trying to play hardball with a guy who's father is the Duke AD? Interesting decision if so.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I've said I think he's looking for similar to Zo's original deal, 60% of remaining salary. Assuming $1.3 is the number...

Year 1: $3.12m
Year 2: $2.34m
Year 3: $1.56m
Year 4: $780k
Year 5: $0
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So you think Hart is trying to stick with something similar or that White is? IF Hart is offering White similar to what you posted above, I don't think Hart is being unreasonable at all for a 3rd year unproved HC. The man IF fired from UT in year 4 would cost UT almost 7 million dollars. His current job would have paid him about 2 mil over the same time span. Can't just give it away.
 
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volatil said:
Bruce Pearl Wisconsin-Green Bay
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I'll give you that, but he worked his way through and was a consistent winner. Do you really think Hart has the ability to pick a Bruce Pearl?

My bet is no, but we will see.
 
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Figured I'd put my thoughts into this thread.
I am a Wake Forest grad and the Deacs will always be #1 for me. However, through my sister by a UT grad, I am also a Vol fan. I do not follow UT sports as closely as I do WF sports but I still know what is going on and really care for the school and its athletic programs.

As a UT/WF household, my family is currently experiencing the distinct pleasure of two coaching searches this season. While the pipedreams of Marshall and Smart were fun, WF too had to move on to other coaches. Among those discussed by WF fans were Mack, White, Manning, and Miller. Michael White as a very popular choice among WF fans, especially those that use advanced metrics (KenPom, etc). I'm not sure how much contact WF had with White but the general impression was that he wanted to stick around another year to get more seasoned and make sure he was ready for the next step. Not sure as to its veracity but if true does show that White has at least some desire to stick around.

WF got Manning, who is very inexperienced as a head coach but has a lot of time on the Kansas bench. Rumors are that he is being paid about $2 million (Tulsa offered him a lot to stay), which is crazy for an inexperienced coach but WF can afford it with no capital debts on the books right now and big donations in an attempt to return to the Duncan/CP3 years. I post this as a warning that certain coaches might be more costly than you think.

Anyways, in summary, as a quasi-outsider, I think that while Michael White is not a household name right now, he is known by those in the basketball world and he would succeed at Tennessee if he implements his system and gets a good staff, especially one that can recruit. Getting the horses is 80% of the race in college basketball, which was definitely shown by Dino Gaudio at WF. He could recruit as well as almost any coach but he often was in over his head with in-game coaching. Go Vols.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
So you think Hart is trying to stick with something similar or that White is? IF Hart is offering White similar to what you posted above, I don't think Hart is being unreasonable at all for a 3rd year unproved HC. The man IF fired from UT in year 4 would cost UT almost 7 million dollars. His current job would have paid him about 2 mil over the same time span. Can't just give it away.
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I think that's probably what White is asking for, or around that, and Hart is wanting it lower.

And if he waits til next year he's gonna get a 5 year deal at probably $2m a year, with a nice buyout. If Hart feels this is his guy, which apparently he does, he should get it done.

The first 2 years shouldn't be an issue, and really neither should year 3, you've gotta give him 3 years minimum. Hart was gonna offer Zo an extension last year based on 1/3 NCAAT appearances, is he not confident White couldn't do that same?
 
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Spawn said:
I'll give you that, but he worked his way through and was a consistent winner. Do you really think Hart has the ability to pick a Bruce Pearl?

My bet is no, but we will see.
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My bet is we get totally blind sided with a candidate no one is talking about.
 
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