espn on Barnes vs. Smart

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docholiday said:
Obviously you don't watch hoops or can not differentiate
the two.

NC does not play that havoc streetball bull-------
with zero shooters on the roster. Stay tuned.
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Ok. Shaka coaches "streetball." Uh-huh. I love code words.
 
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docholiday said:
Obviously you don't watch hoops or can not differentiate
the two.

NC does not play that havoc streetball bull-------
with zero shooters on the roster. Stay tuned.
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Your breakdown of the differences between Shaka's style and Rick Pitino's would be entertaining. Also, who is to say his style won't evolve with the players he has? He loves to press, but offensively he went into the post a ton last year.

People on here both defending Barnes as a coach and ripping Shaka Smart as a coach has made my week.

Of course we hired the coach whose team (with more talent) looked like it had no idea what to do when they played Butler just a few weeks ago-a Butler team coached by a guy who expressed interest in this job. Dave Hart ran to hire the guy who lost that game.
 
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kohlrums said:
Hey-I know. I don't want to be negative. I just do not get this hire. It was the easiest/laziest hire Hart could have made. He appears to be incompetent given we are a "yes" away from having Mike Gundy coaching the football team.
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Oh, I see. You just don't like Hart. Is it because you are butt hurt about the Lady Vol logo? Wake up and smell the coffee. Hart has hired Butch Jones and he looks like a home run hire. Hart has hired Barnes who is a huge upgrade over Konzo and Donnie. He is trying to get the budget under control by firing some dead wood in the AD. He has to do this while working for that idiot Jimmy Cheek. Be thankful. We could still have Mike Hamilton, Fulmer and Konzo.
 
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It should be easy for him to win with all the superstars Rick recruited. Even though they couldn't break 50 points in the tournament. Lost a 16 point lead after not scoring a FG the last 7:30 in the conferences tourny
 
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kohlrums said:
We may have gotten an upgrade in the "not paying players/lying to the NCAA" sense, but not from an actual coaching standpoint. He is past his prime.

I hope I am wrong, I really do; however, the AD failed the university and it's fans with this "search". Holtman reached out, so did Pitino, Jr. Why not have some discussions with those guys, Hurley, Underwood, Wade.
This program would have been better served hiring a coach who has shown an ability to coach up inferior talent, while also not having the resources of a school like TN. AKA, the Butch Jones model. Get a guy in here who is full of energy, has succeeded, and give them the keys to the city. Don't hire the basketball version of 2009 Fulmer, and that's an insult to Fulmer since he won a National Title.

Barnes would have always been there as an option. He should have been plan D, not plan A. Again-he failed at Texas. They have more resources than anyone.
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How do you know what CRB's prime is? Multiple 20 win seasons is not a failure.
And if UT had hired any of the other names mentioned, many fans would have cried that Hart was hiring mid-major coaches without an extended period of success in order to save money.
It seems that there is no way to make everyone happy. Some want the next new coaching star, i.e. Archie Miller, Little Pitino, Brad Underwood, etc., while others want the veteran with a record of success. However, there are problems with both courses of action. The veteran with a lot of success, both past and present, is not on the market (even with large amounts of money available). The up and coming mid major superstar may not be successful as they move up, i.e. Grant at Alabama and even Shaka, the golden boy, has had fairly limited success in the tournament since VCU's big run of several years ago.
Bashing a coach who has been successful, while running a clean program (which I am sure was a major and important consideration for Hart), from the safety of your computer desk, without giving him an opportunity to coach his first practice is idiotic and gutless.
Maybe you are past your prime.
 
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Agree Shaka is a hot name in coaching right now, but I will wait and judge both hires at a later date. Shaka has no more final four appearances than Rick and Rick has been to the tournament more than Shaka, so I really see either a wash or a more lean toward Rick in this situation. Yet again I will wait and judge during the upcoming seasons.
 
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It is funny how many posters blast the talking heads on ESPN, unless what they say matches the posters' preconceived opinion. Then ESPN is golden!
I have heard enough lunacy from the mouths of sports television talking heads over the years to ignore their opinions.
 
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All those whining about why we didn't hire a Pitino Jr. or some other young flashy coach I guess really don't grasp how down the basketball program is. Pearl did great...fired in disgrace. Martin came in...left with disgraceful act by large portion of fans. Tyndall came in...left in disgrace after less than one year.

All three of those were risky hires that all did not work out. Yes, Pearl had tremendous success, but ultimately left with tail btwn his legs.

Is Barnes a sexy hire? Not really. But he is a safe hire and that is EXACTLY what the program needs right now. He will bring stability. Odds are that he will be more successful here than any other of the up and comers mentioned. His is ceiling as high, probably not. His is floor higher? Yep. Let him bring stability and get the program pointed in the right direction and then down the line have the program be much more attractive to the flashy hires.
 
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Not sure if I want Little Pitino either. I am not sold on coaches whose have obtained their current status primarily because of their daddy. The coach who starts at the bottom (high school, D2, grad asst, etc.) and claws his way to the top I believe has a more thorough knowledge and a greater appreciation of where they are.
Besides, Little Pitino changes jobs as often as I change underwear, once a year.
 
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BGKYVol said:
It is funny how many posters blast the talking heads on ESPN, unless what they say matches the posters' preconceived opinion. Then ESPN is golden!
I have heard enough lunacy from the mouths of sports television talking heads over the years to ignore their opinions.
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I've only read one questionable assessment of the Barnes hire from ESPN.
The majority are calling it the perfect match for TN.
time will tell.
I think we'll get Barnes' BEST.
He wants to go out on top.
2 lives. The life we learn with and what we live after that.
I'll take his first 10 at Texas. Much wiser now. He knows what works and what doesn't.
 
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The biggest knock against Tennessee's basketball program is the attitude around the program:
"Tennessee wont pay that for a basketball coach"
"Tennessee isn't a basketball school anyway"
"Would that piss the football coach off"
"Tennessee wont go after that level of a coach"

The best thing about the Barnes hire is they didn't settle for "blue light special" and no one has died from it yet!
 
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BGKYVol said:
Not sure if I want Little Pitino either. I am not sold on coaches whose have obtained their current status primarily because of their daddy. The coach who starts at the bottom (high school, D2, grad asst, etc.) and claws his way to the top I believe has a more thorough knowledge and a greater appreciation of where they are.
Besides, Little Pitino changes jobs as often as I change underwear, once a year.
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So you're not a Tyler Summitt fan I take it?
 
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Bad argument for Pitino. He's killed it recruiting wise for Minnesota but had a really bad year this year. We didn't want Pitino Jr.
 
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AuntieDee said:
This just my opinion: Seems to me that Barnes may have been tricked out of his position at Texas. That deal with Texas and Shaka has some devious undertones and may have been in the works before Barnes was fired. However, we've upgraded our coaching staff as well. I'm pleased. GBO!
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uh what?
 
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kohlrums said:
Ok. Shaka coaches "streeball." Uh-huh. I love code words.
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So the fans want Bruce back who made his name doing exactly what Smart does, but they don't want Smart. Genius.

I'm laughing you at you though. You think the fans here watch college basketball. That's funny.
 
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VolnTitan said:
All those whining about why we didn't hire a Pitino Jr.
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Huh? I think the consensus here is that Pitino Jr. has proven nothing and has little to offer other than his name. Very few people would have taken him over Barnes.

As for Smart, we weren't getting him anyway, so whether or not some talking head at ESPN thinks he "works harder" than Rick Barnes doesn't mean a hill of beans. And I'm not sure I buy it anyway. There's a ton of talent in VCU's backyard. He could drive for a few hours in any direction and there's stud players to be recruited all over the place. If he were that awesome of a recruiter, he'd have had more than one-and-done NCAA teams since all the guys from his Final Four run left. He has easy access to more talent than Gonzaga does, or even than Wichita State does.
 
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