ESPN: DeBord doesnt watch much opponents film?

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Vol-in-Ct said:
In my mind this coaching staffs failures can mostly be linked to one failure. The failure to get any real improvements in Josh Dobbs as a passer. His inability to consistently make anything but short throws has made offense impossible agaiginst competent defenses. It turns out that the SEC has several of those.
They see different things out of defenses bcause defenses don't have to respect our passing game even in obvious passing downs. They can crowd the line of scrimmage, shut down the short passes which also tends to limit Dobbs as a runner.
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Whos fault is it that Dobbs isn't better? If you answer it honestly you will say Butch Jones. For not getting him a QB coach and for not developing him.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
So you adjust, but oh yeah thats right our Head Coach says thats not necessary.

"Everyone wants to talk about great halftime adjustments. You have a scheme, and you stick to your scheme."

#MediaMonday: Jones Previews WCU Game - University of Tennessee Official Athletic Site
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"As we all know, it's hard to win in college football. You never take winning for granted." cbj

gosh, is this the everyday, week in week out locker-room mentality from this staff -- Stick to the scheme, because winning in college football is difficult. ok.
 
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Our defense is superseding expectations?
That's not good.
You want your defense to exceed expectations.
As well as your offense.
 
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Debord is a bad hire which speaks volumes about Butch. Debord is not an OC, a quarterback coach or recruiter; wth does he do?
 
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UT-Rex said:
"As we all know, it's hard to win in college football. You never take winning for granted." cbj

gosh, is this the everyday, week in week out locker-room mentality from this staff -- Stick to the scheme, because winning in college football is difficult. ok.
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Its difficult for them thats for damn sure
 
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majic73 said:
Not to be a Debord apologist ...but the guy has really been given an impossible task. The task being to run a layered west coast passing tree out of a spread with a QB that cannot make intermediate throws, SC abandoned the intermediate pass , mush rushed the front, and set the LBs to attack the run down hill. They did not rush the QB and WRs were open all night .

Debord is a power I guy. His offense would be more beneficial to Dobbs and Hurd. So do you bring another guy in to run Butch's offense with players that are not suited to run this offense ? If you do you will get the same result.

The broader and question is why are we running this offense with a QB that can run but not pass and a running back and TE that would flourish in a power based running .
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BSIA...that's why
 
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TheBigOne10 said:
To be fair KB, we can't exactly say that our Offense has put us in the best positions with turnovers galore. Unfortunately, our secondary is absolutely atrocious.
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True. But it cuts both ways. Our defense can't stop the run up the middle or around the edge/perimeter, our players can't tackle, and none of our DBs even attempt to turn and look for the ball. It looks like a poorly coached/schemed defense to me and the numbers back it up. We're ranked 69th in the country in total defense, and we couldn't do anything with the 123rd ranked offense last week who was starting a kid at qb who should be playing in Highschool. And, of course, we allowed a 100+ yard rusher once again.

I'm just saying that 99% of people want Debord fired (without ever mentioning that he's running JONES' offense) and are giving Bob Shoop a complete pass.
 
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As the offense coordinator of a major program he should study as much film of his opponents as he could watch. He should also study his teams films so he can see what other teams used that worked knowing future opponents will try the same thing. Then he needs to learn to adjust on the fly
 
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It's Butch's offense, which consists of a lot of motion, mind numbing substitutions when you should just feed the hot hand. Also the read option, which is not really a option when you hand the ball to the runningback up the middle 95% of the time. Unless you just have a freak at QB like a Lamar Jackson it won't win in this league. It takes herculean effort by one or two guys to win football games. I'm not a fan..
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
This. Why is everyone just brushing aside how atrocious this defense has been? Don't talk about injuries. Year 4. There should be quality depth.
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Most of us know we can't get rid of Jones this year and have seen enough of Debord and Dobbs. Shoop deserves a pass because of the shear volume of injuries in his first year as DC. Not may are impressed with the D but it is too early to start calling for his head because of lack of depth. That is all.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Whos fault is it that Dobbs isn't better? If you answer it honestly you will say Butch Jones. For not getting him a QB coach and for not developing him.
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I think it's both the staffs and Josh's fault. I think everyone gets a piece of blame for his lack of improvement. It's possible that he just can't do it, no amount of coaching may help. It's also possible that he's not getting the right coaching. It's probably both.

It's hard to find fault in Josh as a person or leader. It's too bad that he hasn't become the passer we'd hope for because he checks all the other boxes pretty emphatically.

As for Butch, he's had successful QBs in his past. It is possible that his system works better in lesser conferences. We'll know more next year when he gets to work with different QBs.
 
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No this is a coaching issue. You have Dobbs, who is a smart guy, clearly has a football IQ, he's coachable, and he has plenty of physical talent. His fundamentals as a passer, his mechanics, and throwing motion are awful...that's a reflection of coaching. He doesn't have a QB coach or any help with his development...how can true freshmen like Hurts and Francois step in to major programs like Bama and FSU and already be better passers than Dobbs? It would be one thing if it was just Dobbs, but it was Worley before him. In fact as a HC Butch has only ever had 1 successful QB, Dan Lefevour at CMU. Good enough QB for the MAC, but never good enough in the Big East or SEC. That's not a QB issue, that's a Butch not being able find a QB coach issue.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like the use of the spread within an offense, but I hate using it all the time. Opposing defenses can just sit in Nickel or Dime, stay home up front for the QB keep and string out all the sideways crap. If you can't block the dive between the tackles, the offense just flat out isn't going to work.
 
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Maybe DeBord needs a Wade Phillips type sideline collision to knock some sense into him.
 
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GAVol said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like the use of the spread within an offense, but I hate using it all the time. Opposing defenses can just sit in Nickel or Dime, stay home up front for the QB keep and string out all the sideways crap. If you can't block the dive between the tackles, the offense just flat out isn't going to work.
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agreed. the sweep plays haven't worked all year long. there was a series in the USCe game...1st down...Hurd sweep right, no gain. 2nd down, Hurd sweep left, no gain, 3rd and 10.

my contention about the offense all year has been that they lack an identity, tied directly to the offensive line not being good enough.

i've also said that we look at times to come out with a script of plays, and we run those to see what the defense does. sometimes it's helped (FL and VT), and sometimes it hasn't.

w/out knowing all the ins and outs, all of this to me sounds like it adds up to an offensive staff that's not very dynamic in it's thinking and is more of a read and react vs. find weakness/mismatch and exploit.

frustrating to say the least.
 
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and while i won't be touting our defense with the likes of a FL or Bama, i don't think it's really debatable that the lion's share of the issues with this team lie on the offensive side of the ball.

when you have an offense that turns it over and goes 3 and out a lot, it puts the defense in bad positions....add to that we've played the majority of the season w/out our best players on defense, it just adds to the problem.
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. the sweep plays haven't worked all year long. there was a series in the USCe game...1st down...Hurd sweep right, no gain. 2nd down, Hurd sweep left, no gain, 3rd and 10.

my contention about the offense all year has been that they lack an identity, tied directly to the offensive line not being good enough.
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Anyone who thinks Hurd is at his best in running sideways along the line of scrimmage is just stupid.....That's CBJ/Debord....

Went back this morning and watched some of the NW Bowl game and plays with Dobbs under center and off-set I formation.....Hurd went for 8+ yds and a 1st down on 2nd and 8 on a lead draw.....Dobbs threw the ball to the TE off of play-action of the same play to Ellis for a 20+ yard gain....

My point is that Dobbs, Hurd,--and even Kamara and Kelly--are better utilized with Dobbs under center--fold and trap blocking by this OL with isolations, and play action passes....He could also run more traditional bootlegs to keep aggressive and over-pursuing defenses off-balance and get Dobbs out on the perimeter in RPOs...and Dobbs has shown that those situations are the ones in which he performs best....

CBJ is just too arrogant to change it up and it has cost us 2 losses to Fla, a loss to Vandy, and now a loss to USCe......It's pure stupidity.....and I'm sick of watching it....
 
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jakez4ut said:
agreed. the sweep plays haven't worked all year long. there was a series in the USCe game...1st down...Hurd sweep right, no gain. 2nd down, Hurd sweep left, no gain, 3rd and 10.

my contention about the offense all year has been that they lack an identity, tied directly to the offensive line not being good enough.

i've also said that we look at times to come out with a script of plays, and we run those to see what the defense does. sometimes it's helped (FL and VT), and sometimes it hasn't.

w/out knowing all the ins and outs, all of this to me sounds like it adds up to an offensive staff that's not very dynamic in it's thinking and is more of a read and react vs. find weakness/mismatch and exploit.

frustrating to say the least.
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Bruh! When I seen that $hit! I was pissed! I couldn't believe my eyes :mad:
 
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