ESPN At It Again

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VolPack22 said:
Ranking the top 100 college football head coaches of the past 50 years

Majors and Fulmer rank 50th and 49th on their list but some guys that have never won a national championship are ranked ahead of them. It’s like they said “well they won a national championship so I kind of have to put them in the top 50, so I’ll put them at the tail end of everyone else”. The disrespect is real. I think it’s laughable to have these coaches ranked ahead of Johnny and Phil:

48. Mark D’Antonio
41. Mike Leach
36. Brian Kelly
35. Mark Richt
32. Barry Alvarez
28. Gary Patterson
27. Frank Beamer
8. Bill Snyder

Also included Bear Bryant’s accomplishments from the 50s and 60s even though this is suppose to be a list for the past 50 years…
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Snyder might should be higher. Kansas State was the Vandy of the Big 8/12 and he made them into a contender.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Maybe, but the head to head only favors Richt 5-3. That’s not enough to make up for Fulmer having a National Championship. People normally get too worked up over lists like these, but there’s a legit gripe in having Richt ranked ahead of Fulmer.
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No doubt about it but it's one factor. Fulmer also got his shot at a MNC when Arky literally laid one on the ground when all they had to do was run out the clock. Richt got robbed out of a shot when OSU completed a miracle hail mary which meant OSU and Miami would finish undefeated to his one loss. Most yrs, the one loss would have gotten Richt into the game. In the old system, luck could get you in or keep you out and Richt had a couple of unlucky yrs. But like you said these lists are mostly meaningless. That list and 5 bucks will get you a beverage at Starbucks.
 
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wmcovol said:
Majors rebuilt 3 programs (Iowa St, Pitt and Tennessee). He was far better than Beamer or Snyder.
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I agree. Majors was known for building programs. Evident was ours then Fulmer took it one step further before decimating it to levels below what Majors inherited.

BVols20 said:
Richt ahead of Fulmer?? GTFOH

Fulmer
152-52 (.745 Win %)
1 National Championship
2 SEC Championships
5 SEC East Championships

Richt
171-64 (.728 Win %)
0 National Championships
2 SEC Championships
6 SEC East Championships
1 ACC Coastal Championship
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Richt came in during the SEC changeover-he was actually part of that changeover. If you will notice, the other SEC schools began to upgrade coaches and coaching staffs. This made it more difficult to win. This is partly the reason for Fulmers demise. Had the had the same Richt during the 90’s instead of Goff and Donnan, it very well may have been Georgia and Florida for the SEC champions instead of Florida every year.

Sin City Vol said:
If you had to sit down and just do some X and O’s coaching, I’m taking Leach over Fulmer. Once he lost Cut his career started dropping.
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If not for Cut, Fulmer would have never been what he was. This is evident with him bringing CDC back in ‘06. That year and the next proved it was him and not Fulmer.

Wireless1 said:
Leach is 143-97 - not even 60% with divisions champs on his resumé. Offensive genius, yes, fun when he's not your coach in press conferences, yes, but a great head coach, no. MSU might give him 3 more years, then he'll be Saban's OC.
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In all fairness, Leach built up a Texas Tech program that was absolutely nothing and I mean nothing and had been nothing. After he left, they slowly returned to what they were.

I agree in that I don’t see him having much success at STATE. Maybe a good year or two if he’s there long enough (like he did at Tech) but nothing sustained.

RoanokeVol said:
Considering the amount of money Fulmer has taken from the university for being subpar, I’m really struggling to get much fire behind this fight. I appreciate what he did back in the day, but Phil ended up leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
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You are not the only one! I just hope administration and legislatures have finally learned to keep him far, far away from anything university or football related!
 
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BoscoVol said:
I also don’t care for ESPN reporting only reason I’m ever on channel is they are carrying a game I want to see. Now about Manning’s bowl appearances , I did a little digging once on bowl game stats. After a couple of nights work I found that Manning did have good stats in all bowl games. He did not have a game that was lost that the running game was effective or that the defense did a good job stopping the opponents offense. I also used to think they were bad games until I did this stat search. I think we all just held him to a higher standard and expected not average but well above average stats. No he didn’t look good in those bowls but the stats don’t look bad. I guess even Superman flys a little slow sometimes but he always makes an impact.
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What bowl games are you speaking of? He was 3-1. Only lost to Nebraska. He torched Northwestern and Va Tech. He played very well against Ohio St, just not as much stats because it was a defensive game. That’s still probably the best bowl game I have seen that wasn’t for a title, both teams absolutely loaded.
 
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wmcovol said:
Jimmy Franklin did the same thing at Vandy. You got him at #9?
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Those two men's respective tenures are not remotely comparable, that's like comparing Scott Frost at UCF to Bobby Bowden. Jimmy Franklin coached at Vandy for 3 years, Kansas State was the losing-est team in D-1 history when Snyder took over in 1989.

I-A Winning Percentage 1869-1988

Then from 1993-2003 Snyder went 109-29-1.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
If you had to sit down and just do some X and O’s coaching, I’m taking Leach over Fulmer. Once he lost Cut his career started dropping.
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Part of a great head coach is hiring a great staff around you. Mike Leach has won NOTHING.
 
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Bill Snyder in the top 10 is absurd. If you haven’t won a national championship then sorry you don’t belong in the top 10. That should be a minimum requirement.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Those two men's respective tenures are not remotely comparable, that's like comparing Scott Frost at UCF to Bobby Bowden. Jimmy Franklin coached at Vandy for 3 years, Kansas State was the losing-est team in D-1 history when Snyder took over in 1989.

I-A Winning Percentage 1869-1988

Then from 1993-2003 Snyder went 109-29-1.
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And in all those years he only won 2 conference championships and not a single national championship but he’s the 8th best coach of all time in the past 50 years. Get out of here.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Ranking the top 100 college football head coaches of the past 50 years

Majors and Fulmer rank 50th and 49th on their list but some guys that have never won a national championship are ranked ahead of them. It’s like they said “well they won a national championship so I kind of have to put them in the top 50, so I’ll put them at the tail end of everyone else”. The disrespect is real. I think it’s laughable to have these coaches ranked ahead of Johnny and Phil:

48. Mark D’Antonio
41. Mike Leach
36. Brian Kelly
35. Mark Richt
32. Barry Alvarez
28. Gary Patterson
27. Frank Beamer
8. Bill Snyder

Also included Bear Bryant’s accomplishments from the 50s and 60s even though this is suppose to be a list for the past 50 years…
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8 is too low for Bill Snyder. He’s amazing. It’s laughable to even put Majors or Fulmer in the same category as Snyder
 
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sjt18 said:
I am still amazed that people watch or read anything by ESPN other than actual games or stats. They once had some decent, informative, journalistic content... but have become "The View" for sports.
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I have a free ESPN+ subscription right now and it popped up in “My News” on my main page so I clicked on it thinking Majors and Fulmer would be in the 30s somewhere. Thought it was so asinine I would let people know about it.
 
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Vol8188 said:
8 is too low for Bill Snyder. He’s amazing. It’s laughable to even put Majors or Fulmer in the same category as Snyder
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So a guy that won the Big 12 twice is better than two national championship winning coaches. Gotcha. You sure do know your college football history!
 
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BackwoodsMan said:
I think Bear Bryant won 3 National Championships during the 70"s
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Yes but the fact that they included his 50s and 60s accomplishments make it laughable. It’s supposed to be in the last 50 years. Why not make it the entirety of college football?
 
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LouderVol said:
Beamer and Synder I can respect that high because they built up good programs from nothing, and maintained it for decades. The rest, especially Richt, dont deserve to be higher than our two.
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Snyder does not deserve to be anywhere remotely close to top 10.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
Snyder might should be higher. Kansas State was the Vandy of the Big 8/12 and he made them into a contender.
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Oh he sure did make them into a contender. Did he actually do anything though? Really? We have a coach that won a national championship for our program, which had not been done in 47(or 31) years depending on who you talk to, and he can barely crack the top 50? But a coach that makes a doormat program into a “contender” is better than that? Kansas St and Virginia Tech are the only two Power 5 schools that have NEVER won a national championship in ANY sport. Snyder and Beamer should be outside the top 50. Some people really do not know how many great football coaches there have been.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Mark Richt at 35 is mind blowing . I like the guy a lot, but you cannot put a guy who failed to win a National title at both UGA and Miami ahead of a coach who won a title at Tennessee and a coach who won one at Pitt.
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He did have a winnning record vs Phil
 
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Longshank said:
Winning record vs Phil and won rings at fsu
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Richt is also at this moment widely considered one of the true gentleman of the game and has just been diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. Fulmer has just pretty much retired in disgrace. These are political-social type concerns to be sure, but if anyone tells you those kinds of things don't matter at all, especially to something as intangible as the comparative legacies of football coaches, is naive at best.
 
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