Eric Garner Grandy Jury Decision Today

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#151
I think the cops are liable although I'm not sure about criminally. Kinda like when they taze a guy and he has a heart attack or something. There will be a civil suit that will give his family a pretty good payday.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Well I seriously doubt he was protesting tax law by selling cigs like that. But even if he did, the solution was to try to get the law changed. Not violate laws on compliance with lawful commands.
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No, he wasn't protesting, he was minding his own business.
Selling his own property, that some damn politician deems to be illegal to sell without getting his share. And he died for it.
 
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Coug said:
Did Eric Garner die from the choke hold? Are we sure about that? The video I saw there were like 4 to 5 cops in contact with his body and kneeling on top of him. I wouldn't be surprised if he died from crush/positional asphyxia.
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Not to mention that he was morbidly obese. Could it have been a heart attack?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Most people see this as aa civil rights case, but only a true govt lapdog would cry about perceived lost taxes.

Hey LG, if he would have bought those same cigarettes and just gave them away instead of selling them, wouldn't the outcome be the same? Wouldn't the store owners in that neighbor neighborhood still lose potential sales? Wouldn't the govt have still lost potential saless sales taxes?

Its the same as saying its OK for a woman to give her body for free, but she can't do it for a profit.
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OK... so what other laws should the cops turn their backs on?
 
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Do these protesters in NYC even know what they're protesting? People walking around with their hands up. WTF? They should do the international sign of choking in NYC.
 
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#166
" A government and it's agents
are under no general duty
to provide....police protection,
to any individual citizen"

Warren v. District of Columbia
(444 A.2d1(D.C. Ct. of Ap.,1981)
 
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#167
There may have been room for difference of opinion in Ferguson.. but this is pretty much cut and dry, they killed this man. They got this ruling wrong
 
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#171
Other than the fact that this makes it pretty clear cops can do whatever they want with no consequences, I think one of the scariest things about this is how much influence the media has over people. They managed to get Ferguson to burn itself down and people across the country to "protest" just by using the word "racism" and continuing the whole "hands up, don't shoot" even after the facts came out, which supported the officer. Yet in this case where the cops should absolutely be held responsible, hardly anyone is complaining and no real protests have formed. I find this really concerning for the future (I am only 24), where everyone has access to social media and it all just feeds into a mob mentality, even when not warranted.
 
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#172
Ferguson needs to teach NY how to protest and riot because they're not doing it right. I wanted to see some buildings on fire in Times Square, Starbuck's ablaze would be very entertaining, maybe set the Christmas tree on fire but nooooo. New Yorkers disappoint as usual.
 
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zreeves said:
Other than the fact that this makes it pretty clear cops can do whatever they want with no consequences, I think one of the scariest things about this is how much influence the media has over people. They managed to get Ferguson to burn itself down and people across the country to "protest" just by using the word "racism" and continuing the whole "hands up, don't shoot" even after the facts came out, which supported the officer. Yet in this case where the cops should absolutely be held responsible, hardly anyone is complaining and no real protests have formed. I find this really concerning for the future (I am only 24), where everyone has access to social media and it all just feeds into a mob mentality, even when not warranted.
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This scares the hell out of me right now...
 
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lawgator1 said:
Deserve? No. But there is a legit question whether the use of force was reasonable under all the circumstances.

It's not a question of morality. It's a question of practicality.
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So an application of a choke hold that violated department policy was "reasonable" then?
 
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