Eric Berry this past Sunday against Arizona

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I don't think that Berry will ever garnish any "greatest former Vol ever to play in the NFL" accolades just playing as a safety. Reggie White is pretty well regarded as the best former Vol ever, as he could dominate in the NFL at any of three (DE, DT, NT) positions. Peyton's accolades are well deserved, but QB's are typically overrated in "best ever..." type discussions. If Eric were to be switched to CB, dominate there, and then finish his career at safety, a la Rod Woodson, he'd probably stand a better chance. Look at Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu, probably the two best safeties in the NFL currently, and two of the best ever. Neither of them will ever be regarded as the best ever former Hurricane or Trojan. It's just the nature of the safety position. It's never been as highly regarded as most other positions.
 
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#28
Titans4Vols said:
Tom Brady is tied with John Elway for the most game winning drives in playoffs history with 6. Manning has 1.

For me, it's all about being clutch in the post season, and as noted by that stat(given that 2 of those game winning drives were in the superbowl and should have had a 3rd if his defense didn't choke vs the Giants), Brady is as clutch as it gets.

I don't really care much for regular season bull****. I'm all about playoff performances. Big Ben is a great example of what I'm talking about. A decent enough QB in the regular season, plays well enough to get to the playoffs, but once he gets to the playoffs, he turns it up a notch.

If you value regular season stats more than me, that's fine, that's your opinion and I can see where you're coming from. However to call my argument invalid because I don't think Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady is foolish..because it's not possible to say that Manning is even as close to as clutch as Brady in the playoffs. Just as it's not possible for me to say that Brady has done more in the regular season than Peyton.

I'm simply a playoff performance type of guy(note I say performance, not wins), and as long as you're good enough to get me to the playoffs and that's when you start playing like an elite QB, that's perfectly fine with me.

Not to mention, it's not like Tom Brady isn't good in the regular season.

He averages 25 TDs and 11 INTs per his 9 seasons he's completed(not counting this year).
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Somebody's tired of seeing Peyton beat the dog out of the Titans every year.:cray:
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Yes..if you took Peyton off the Colts as of now, they wouldn't win more than 3 games.

If you took him off the team that had Marvin Harrison playing well, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Brandon Stokely, no, that team is still a winner.
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To me, this is where your argument breaks down.

What have any of those players ever done without being Peyton's primary targets at different points with the Colts over the last decade?

Heck, look at the numbers Austin Colley was putting up earlier this year! AUSTIN (expletive) COLLEY!?!?

Without getting into all that, you can just see Peyton's effect on his supporting cast in Knoxville.

Joey Kent and Marcus Nash are rashes all over the UT receiving record books; Nash was an All-American. Neither had more than ten total receptions in the league.
 
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Becoming a leader of a team that is stacked w/ other SEC talent and look like a completely different team than a year ago. Berry is forever a Vol...
 
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give_him 6 said:
Just got to my evening class after work and could not wait to see if this was posted. Did not see where anyone had posted, so forgive me if this is a duplicate.

On my way to class tonight, 610 Sports Kansas City reported that Eric Berry took a monumental step on Sunday in becoming the vocal leader of the defense. A teammate of Berry's told 610 Sports Nick Wright that during the pre-game stretch, Arizona's Joey Porter (known for his pre-game barking and shanigans) was jawing Chiefs offensive players Brian Waters and Thomas Jones. They both ignored Porter, because....it is Joey Porter. Apparently Porter said the wrong thing and then came too far over the mid field point, because Eric Berry left his stretching, got up in Porter's face and had some choice words for Porter. Then, back in the locker room, the Chiefs team captains and leaders let Berry have the floor. It was said that he got the team fired up before coming out for the kickoff...all thanks to Joey Porter. I know this has nothing to do with his play on the field, but that will come.

This was just reported on 610 sports (Nick Wright) but have not links or proof. However, the teammate of Berrys said that he is quickly becoming the defensive leader. This was exciting to hear.
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Of course, every defensive player in the league looks like a born leader against the Cardinals. They're offensive this year gives a new definition to the word anemic.
 
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Vol423 said:
Of course, every defensive player in the league looks like a born leader against the Cardinals. They're offensive this year gives a new definition to the word anemic.
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Like I originally posted, this thread was not about his play on the field....its about his leadership and how league veterans such as Mike Vrabel, Brian Waters and Thomas Jones (all Pro Bowlers) have recognized that Berry (a rookie) is going to be a leader. This was about his motivation and leadership and not about his play against the Cardinals.
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Not to derail the EB love but Peyton is superior to Brady. The proof is in the 08 season. Without Brady the Pats still won 11 games. You take Peyton out and the Colts tank.

Im not saying Brady stinks. I actually think he and Peyton are 1A and 1B but Peytonis much more integral to his team.

Now having said that: EB is a phenom but he will not surpass Peyton's NFL legacy. Safety could never over shadow a QB.
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Or maybe that just proves that the pats had a future 50 million dollar qb backing brady up and the colts don't? U may be right that peyton is better, but tht is a horrible example to use... I'm sure cassell could have won 11 games with the colts in 08 as well.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
He'll be the greatest former Vol to ever play in the NFL. Yes, even over Peyton. He's gonna be something special.
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If he can be as good as Mayo we should be happy. Peyton, not likely or even possible for a safety to have the impact of a QB.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
I've been saying this since he finished his freshman season here. The guy just has "it".



You don't need more MVPs to be better than someone. Brett Favre isn't even close to as good as Tom Brady, and I don't think Peyton is better than Tom either, but that's at least a close race.
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Favre is better than Brady.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
Tom Brady is tied with John Elway for the most game winning drives in playoffs history with 6. Manning has 1.

For me, it's all about being clutch in the post season, and as noted by that stat(given that 2 of those game winning drives were in the superbowl and should have had a 3rd if his defense didn't choke vs the Giants), Brady is as clutch as it gets.

I don't really care much for regular season bull****. I'm all about playoff performances. Big Ben is a great example of what I'm talking about. A decent enough QB in the regular season, plays well enough to get to the playoffs, but once he gets to the playoffs, he turns it up a notch.

If you value regular season stats more than me, that's fine, that's your opinion and I can see where you're coming from. However to call my argument invalid because I don't think Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady is foolish..because it's not possible to say that Manning is even as close to as clutch as Brady in the playoffs. Just as it's not possible for me to say that Brady has done more in the regular season than Peyton.

I'm simply a playoff performance type of guy(note I say performance, not wins), and as long as you're good enough to get me to the playoffs and that's when you start playing like an elite QB, that's perfectly fine with me.

Not to mention, it's not like Tom Brady isn't good in the regular season.

He averages 25 TDs and 11 INTs per his 9 seasons he's completed(not counting this year).
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I did not realize your argument was that Brady is more clutch than Manning. I thought it was that Brady is a better quarterback than Manning. Was that not the original argument? I will give you that Brady was much more clutch in the Playoffs than Peyton, but I will also point out again that most of those teams Brady played for were vastly superior to those Colts teams. A solid D, a great Run game. The colts really only had a solid D and great run game one year in the playoffs, and they won the Super Bowl that year. Does that excuse Peyton from his lack of success in the playoffs? No, I don't think so. But it is a possible reason for some of it.

My point that your argument had no validity was simply based on the fact that you said Brady was a better quarterback than Manning. That is simply not true. You can say with 100% of my support that he has been a better playoff quarterback, but not overall. It really isn't even close as to who is better at their position.

While I hate using other sites as barometers, there have been several panel discussions from "experts" talking about who is better and everyone comes up with the same conclusion. Overall, Manning is a superior quarterback. Again, the only place Brady wins is Arm Strength and Playoff Clutch.

I agree with your point about playoffs being more important than the regular season. That is why if I had to choose one quarterback to win 1 playoff game, it might be Brady. But if I was starting a franchise and needed a QB, no shot I don't take Manning. He is far and away the most cerebral QB in the history of the NFL. Sorry for the long ass post!
 
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kcvols1 said:
To me, this is where your argument breaks down.

What have any of those players ever done without being Peyton's primary targets at different points with the Colts over the last decade?

Heck, look at the numbers Austin Colley was putting up earlier this year! AUSTIN (expletive) COLLEY!?!?

Without getting into all that, you can just see Peyton's effect on his supporting cast in Knoxville.

Joey Kent and Marcus Nash are rashes all over the UT receiving record books; Nash was an All-American. Neither had more than ten total receptions in the league.
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Exactly.I remember Rodney Harrison saying on SNF that Peyton has always had great weapons and that why he was a great QB. Tony Dungy looked at him like he was high and said Peyton is so good that he makes average receivers into pro bowl caliber players.
 
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#46
Reggie White was, and still is, the most dominant defensive lineman to play in the NFL, in my opinion. To say that Eric Berry will surpass him and Peyton Manning to be the best Vol in the NFL ever, is very bold, as much as I love Eric Berry.
 
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#47
all of this is laughable. considering that Peyton will go down in history as one of the greatest players ever to play in the NFL, I find it hard to believe that Berry will surpass him as the greatest former Vol to ever play in the NFL. gimme some of that stuff you're smoking.
 
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#50
thebjd said:
Favre is better than Brady.
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Really???? I hate the Pats but I'll take Brady any day, and I'll let you have Favre in his prime. Favre is great and he'll win you a lot of games but he'll lose you more than Brady, Manning or even Brees, for that matter.

Plus, what's the price of the baggage the guy brings?
 
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