Enjoy it. Really.

#76
#76
We're still primarily a football school. Because of that, I think a lot of fans take the football fan mentality (where it is reasonable to draw conclusions from a single game, and definitely from 2-3 games) and carry it to other sports. Football plays 12 regular season games and is a more physical, move-people-against-their-will sport. You don't need to play 30 or 50 games to figure out which team is better in football. You do in basketball and baseball. I think our basketball fanbase also underestimates the randomness of the NCAAT and draws too big of a conclusion from it as far as how successful a coach has been at any given school.

Outside of Coach K and maybe Roy Williams, even the great coaches are not as consistent in the NCAAT as you might think they might be. Bill Self, for example, hasn't made it out of the first weekend in 4 out of the last 5 NCAATs. I get that the one year he did make it out of the first weekend he won a title, but even the good coaches aren't in the EE or FF every year, or even once every few years. There are still quite a few people who'd like to have Bruce back, and will say things like "Rick isn't good in the NCAAT" to make their argument. At Auburn, he's made it out of the first weekend of the NCAAT once.

Overall, if your coach is consistently getting you into the NCAAT at seeds that maximize your chances of making a run, then you have a good-to-great coach.
For sure still primarily a football school, but I think over the last couple of decades we have become to be known for our basketball, too.

Barnes correctly gets the lion's share of the credit, but I know many don't like to admit it; Bruce Pearl deserves some credit for the narrative and perception of us shifting.
 
#78
#78
We have had multiple guys take a “Barnes discount” to come here, particularly Knecht and Lanier.

Our NIL game is pretty far behind most of the basketball powers.

Chaz took about half the money he was offered by UK to come here.

That won’t happen without Barnes and I don’t think we are going to defund football NIL to prop up the next basketball coach.
Yeah, it's hard for me to stomach but Kentucky is about to dominate SEC basketball again. They will spend LA Dodgers money if they have to. Not that other programs can't be good too but it will be like the old days again with the rest of the league chasing them.
 
#79
#79
Even Izzo, as good of a coach as he is, isn't as consistent in the tournament as many in the media describe him. Since 2010 (13 tournaments), he's gotten bounced in the first weekend 7 times, occasionally with elite teams. That isn't to take anything away from Izzo - he's one of the best to ever do it and I think it is an indication of how random the tournament can be, but if you were a more passing observer of the sport you might think he's in the FF or EE every year or something.
Izzo is one of the greatest, but he doesn’t get the talent he used to.
 
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#80
Also anyone who keeps repeating that Barnes "just sits there" clearly didn't see him being absolutely irate at the refs yesterday when they were not calling it consistently on both ends. He was going off. I thought it was going to run out and confront one of them at one point.
 
#82
#82
I trust DW to hire a good basketball coach. Will be incredibly hard to hire someone who is able to replicate the success Rick has had here, though. Going to miss him when he calls it a career. He’s made men’s basketball at Tennessee a consistent contender after inheriting a mess. These last four years especially have spoiled us all. 27, 25, 27, 27 (with a chance for more) win totals over the last four seasons. Unprecedented success here because of Rick, and he’s done it the right way with good young men who have done things right on and off the court.
 
#84
#84
If it happens it could resemble the transition from Mears to Devoe. Mears was irreplaceable. Devoe was a solid replacement initially.

Another scenario is the possibility of handing the program off to Gainey and maintaining some of what Barnes built. I’d love for this scenario to work out. But I don’t recall too many times that an assistant to a highly successful coach has elevated the program or maintained an equivalent level. Steve Fisher at Michigan after Bill Frieder probably. Joe B. Hall after Adolph Rupp was about the best possible result that Kentucky could have had. Jud Heathcote to Tom Izzo might be the best ever replacement from within.

Who else was a coach in waiting that had a great career?
 
#85
#85
Are you comparing the state of the program when each coach left compared to what they started with, or whether or not the programs had declined from their peak year(s)? Or whether or not the successor coach had a better overall career? Or simply which coaches had bad exits? TN has been having bad coaching transitions and exits forever.

Mears was clearly better than Devoe, but again what exactly did DD start with? He never got the program to the Ernie and Bernie level but it was certainly improved over the Cliff Wettig interim year.

IMO, Green left it better than KO did. 4x 20s and 4x NCAATs versus 3x losing records and zero NCAATs.

Cuonzo was kind of flat. The program that he took over was a dumpster fire. He ended on a 3-1 NCAAT run. But he tarnished his accomplishments by not being able to bring up the racist crap and suggesting it was representative of the entire fan base instead of an extreme minority of idiots (that are everywhere).
The general chaos that happens with all our coaching changes. A coach leaving here and being celebrated in a good way hasn't happened in a looooooog time on the men's side. The exits are generally black-eyes or some kind of extremely divisive event for the program.

If Barnes retires this year he'll be the only major men's coach to leave here on a high note with no bitterness or controversy that lingered for the program, since Neyland left.
 
#87
#87
Selfishly I’d love to see Rick hang around for another year or two. But I’ve thought for a while that this might be the last roundup with his age and what we are losing. Like someone else said, I’d hate to see him have to do a complete rebuild in the twilight of his career although it is a little easier now with NIL and the portal. If it’s the last ride, it’s been a great run. This program could not have been led by a better person and I thank him for it.
 
#88
#88
The general chaos that happens with all our coaching changes. A coach leaving here and being celebrated in a good way hasn't happened in a looooooog time on the men's side. The exits are generally black-eyes or some kind of extremely divisive event for the program.

If Barnes retires this year he'll be the only major men's coach to leave here on a high note with no bitterness or controversy that lingered for the program, since Neyland left.

Yes. I was saying that a couple of years ago. I hoped that the Barnes era would end with a smooth transition. None of TN’s recent “great” coaches has been able to be an elder statesman on campus. Mears could have been, but he stayed mostly out of sight. He did sit at the court-side table behind the visitor’s end basket for a few seasons at the end of his life. Usually with AW Davis nearby.

Devoe was a positive presence after being away for many years (he was busy as a successful coach at Navy). I haven’t seen him for a couple of years now. He was a disciplinarian that didn’t adapt to the modern player, but he had class and integrity.

I can’t believe that they actually brought Dickey back. He did help the football program navigate sanctions with the NCAA and SEC and the clowns running them. Being an arrogant prick was suited for that role.
 
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#89
I posted a week or so about our decline in faith/interest in certain HS prospects, and our shift to portal players in this recruiting cycle. This came from my friend who is a regular source for information inside the program, and a prominent (top ten) booster. I sat with the two of them at a game. In the middle of this, I started to question why some of these situations with HS players had shifted dramatically and quickly. There were reasons from the player side (hometown school for Mallory, money for Burries) that explained the changes in optimism, but it also piqued my curiosity about changes in attitude on our side. I asked whether Barnes’ plans about the future might be a reason for either a win now portal team before he goes, or if he might retire this year after the tournament. I didn’t get good straight answers beyond “Those are great questions”. I did get a straight answer that DW has a succession plan, and thoughts on what’s next that include RB having many options for remaining a part of the culture, but not steering the hire. All of that made me wonder whether we’re seeing our last dance with Coach Barnes. There were other details that suggested this might be the last year, but I’d have to step on some privacy to share them. Suffice it to say, I do not “know” that he’s planning to retire. I do know he’s considering it, and in counsel with those he cares about most. He had a similar moment a few years back, and decided he was happiest coaching, and returned. For all the whining we do, and noting of imperfections, I’d suggest we all enjoy this ride, with these players, and this coach. Whether he stays or goes, we’re seeing a brand of basketball, a type of player and a breed of leader that is rare to find these days. As always, I hope we win it all, but I’m going to pay attention and appreciate what we’re witnessing. We won’t see it again.
I am comforted by the fact you know what DW will do when Barnes retires. We will hold you to that plan so come prepared
 
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#90
Hope today's students are able to appreciate what we currently have. A basketball team in contention, a NC baseball team, and a football team that made the playoff. Only one time in my life have we come somewhat close to that, and that was when two hall of famers were here, Manning in football and Helton in baseball. Even then, we were horrible in basketball.

Barnes has been instrumental in proving that it wasn't just Bruce Pearl that could win here, that we could be a basketball school too. His consistency once it got going is phenomenal. And he has done it with a culture and young men that you could be proud of. As much as I love Pearl, his latter teams were becoming hard to root for because of the culture.

Barnes is a very good man... someone that walks the walk. I hope he is able to get out with his health and plenty of time to enjoy his children and grandchildren.
 
#91
#91
You better be willing to endure a ROUGH year or two though if this is the year Rick leaves. We only have 4 players eligible to return next year and I frankly doubt any of them will stay for a new coach. We would likely have to start completely over from a roster standpoint. And in a conference that is sending 14 teams to the tournament, that’s a tough position to be in.
This is no different than any coaching transition. Given that all players can leave at any time for any reason, all coaching changes mean a complete roster overhaul now. There is no leaving the next guy a nice roster to inherit.

Given the current state of college basketball it is also easier than ever to flip a roster in one off season. Whenever CRB decides to retire the new coach should be expected to field a top 25 team the following season regardless of what the previous years roster was.

Kentucky lost all 13 scholarship players last year. Pope assembled a competitive roster this year and has done a great job in year one.

It is a year to year proposition for every team now. I think that is part of what @Stoerner Fumbles was referencing when he said we won't see this again.
 
#92
#92
Barnes is a remarkable basketball coach. But let's put basketball aside for a moment and look at him as a man. To me, the most important thing he's done at Tennessee is create a culture; a culture of hard work, mental tenacity, and high character. He's set the foundations for many more years of success here once he's gone. There's a ton of good coaches out there who simply make their players better and rinse and repeat. Not Barnes. He truly cares about them as people, as evidenced most notably (in my opinion) when the whole team was baptized several years ago. Rick Barnes is the greatest man in college basketball at the moment. I'm thankful for him and this team, but I'm most thankful for the positive impact he's had on people's lives!
 
#93
#93
We're still primarily a football school. Because of that, I think a lot of fans take the football fan mentality (where it is reasonable to draw conclusions from a single game, and definitely from 2-3 games) and carry it to other sports. Football plays 12 regular season games and is a more physical, move-people-against-their-will sport. You don't need to play 30 or 50 games to figure out which team is better in football. You do in basketball and baseball. I think our basketball fanbase also underestimates the randomness of the NCAAT and draws too big of a conclusion from it as far as how successful a coach has been at any given school.

Outside of Coach K and maybe Roy Williams, even the great coaches are not as consistent in the NCAAT as you might think they might be. Bill Self, for example, hasn't made it out of the first weekend in 4 out of the last 5 NCAATs. I get that the one year he did make it out of the first weekend he won a title, but even the good coaches aren't in the EE or FF every year, or even once every few years. There are still quite a few people who'd like to have Bruce back, and will say things like "Rick isn't good in the NCAAT" to make their argument. At Auburn, he's made it out of the first weekend of the NCAAT once.

Overall, if your coach is consistently getting you into the NCAAT at seeds that maximize your chances of making a run, then you have a good-to-great coach.
Our coaches are great across all sports----we are not just a football school. Football pays most of the bills but we're very good in all sports
 
#96
#96
If it happens it could resemble the transition from Mears to Devoe. Mears was irreplaceable. Devoe was a solid replacement initially.

Another scenario is the possibility of handing the program off to Gainey and maintaining some of what Barnes built. I’d love for this scenario to work out. But I don’t recall too many times that an assistant to a highly successful coach has elevated the program or maintained an equivalent level. Steve Fisher at Michigan after Bill Frieder probably. Joe B. Hall after Adolph Rupp was about the best possible result that Kentucky could have had. Jud Heathcote to Tom Izzo might be the best ever replacement from within.

Who else was a coach in waiting that had a great career?

Brian Dutcher at San Diego State has been pretty darn solid following Steve Fisher. Has a 75% winning percentage and a Final Four—about a good as it can be at SDSU.

i do agree Izzo following Heathcote is about as good as it gets. The guy is a phenomenal coach.
 
#99
#99
Our coaches are great across all sports----we are not just a football school. Football pays most of the bills but we're very good in all sports
I meant historically. Baseball and basketball have not been consistent winners over a long period of time.
 

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