End of Dead Period Class projections

#51
#51
VolsBraves said:
Any chance we get both AJ and Bo Scar? Just saw where Bo Scar was moved up to a 5 star on Espn's rankings. Can't remember the last time we got two 5 stars.
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If you go off Rival's rankings, we currently have two 5* commits, both of which are already on campus - Jalen Hurd and Josh Malone.
 
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#52
#52
VolenteerSpirit said:
I think I have put the pieces together on the class numbers.
14 EEs
3 of them are Juco, and count in the signing limit of 25
5 of them are being back counted to 2013 under normal rules.
6 of them have signed FAA paperwork before the deadline.
The 6 that signed FAA should NOT count as initial counters because of the wording. They also therefore do not count as part of the 25 limit. Only the 85.
22 more LOI at signing day.
That's 36.
That doesn't account for GS or BS.
I think the only players that could possibly BS are the Berry Bros.
That could bump us to 38.
I doubt CBJ would chance the ire of NCAA by doing both.
Our numbers could be 30, 32, 36, or 38, not counting GS.
Depending on how far the AD and CBJ are willing to push the limits.
Personaly I think we get 36, and do not GS or BS anyone.
It is my understanding the tactics changed from 32 with BS Berry Bros, and 1 - 2 GS.
The Early FAA loophole was found, and they quickly got 6 of the EEs to sign.
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The FAA paperwork loophole is the major factor. That is where the 36 number comes from. Excellent summary. Thanks for posting. I totally agree that 36 would be the max that CBJ targets in this class. Wow! There was a time when even thinking of a class of 30+ recruits was considered grounds for a psyche eval. Love where our program is headed.
 
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VolenteerSpirit said:
I think I have put the pieces together on the class numbers.
14 EEs
3 of them are Juco, and count in the signing limit of 25
5 of them are being back counted to 2013 under normal rules.
6 of them have signed FAA paperwork before the deadline.
The 6 that signed FAA should NOT count as initial counters because of the wording. They also therefore do not count as part of the 25 limit. Only the 85.
22 more LOI at signing day.
That's 36.
That doesn't account for GS or BS.
I think the only players that could possibly BS are the Berry Bros.
That could bump us to 38.
I doubt CBJ would chance the ire of NCAA by doing both.
Our numbers could be 30, 32, 36, or 38, not counting GS.
Depending on how far the AD and CBJ are willing to push the limits.
Personaly I think we get 36, and do not GS or BS anyone.
It is my understanding the tactics changed from 32 with BS Berry Bros, and 1 - 2 GS.
The Early FAA loophole was found, and they quickly got 6 of the EEs to sign.
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No, you are mixing up 2 very different things. Those players may not count as signees, but they sure as hell count as Initial Counters.
 
#58
#58
VolenteerSpirit said:
Malone, Hurd, Helm, Thomas, Wolf, Raulerson, Moseley all signed FAA before the deadline.
The 3 Juco all signed LOI, and count to the 25 limit.
The other 5 EE would count as signed to last years class. Standard back counts.
That leaves 22 HS LOIs open.
I think that's right, if not please let me know.
There maybe something I am missing, but I think its right.
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I was thinking Blair, Malone, Hurd, Thomas, Raulerson, and Moseley were the ones that signed before Dec. 1, but I'm just going off memory. Either way, I do believe the "loophole" exists and we will use it to sign at least 34 without any blueshirts. And it will promptly be closed after NSD. I'm surprised the NCAA hasn't screwed us and already changed the rules.
 
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Madkins8 said:
No, you are mixing up 2 very different things. Those players may not count as signees, but they sure as hell count as Initial Counters.
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No he is right I do believe. Since they signed the FAA before December 1st they would not count as initial counters and they also won't have to "sign" LOI's.

I really do think this is the loophole!

So that would give us the 36 in my list and also give us a shot for one more (Eman Smith) and Dews would GS like his Dad has said he may.

Add Eman to my list!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
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#61
Original post update with VS's post.

This really does make sense as the only way the staff feels comfortable enough recruiting so many more players right now.

I really think we end up with 36 or 37 on our commit list on signing day!

What a class this will be....PROGRAM CHANGING!
 
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Ericvol2096 said:
No he is right I do believe. Since they signed the FAA before December 1st they would not count as initial counters and they also won't have to "sign" LOI's.

I really do think this is the loophole!

So that would give us the 36 in my list and also give us a shot for one more (Eman Smith) and Dews would GS like his Dad has said he may.

Add Eman to my list!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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That is incorrect. LOI's have absolutely nothing to do with being an initial counter. If you accept financial aid from a university, you are an initial counter. There is no way around that.

The FAA "loophole" just gives us room with the SEC 25 signee rule, which will allow us to have our Grayshirt(s) and possible non-qualifiers sign a LOI.
 
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I love how OP says "time to go on record" and then goes back to modify the original post. OP can't be trusted.
 
#66
#66
bignewt said:
What's crazy is we are under a month till NSD and we don't even know how many we can take, that is a new one!
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Your right just a lot of speculation from a lot of folks, but if this staff can get away with it they will sign 38-40. There's no doubt that this staff is working every competitive angle to rebuild the Vols.
 
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#67
I love the enthusiasm from everyone, and I hope we finish strong. I just hope we get some good surprises on NSD, not the bad ones we seem to have fallen into a habit of getting recently.....Ohio State loss and Auburn losses come to mind (recruiting). If we keep this class intact and get a few positive surprises, I think we will have truly turned the corner. AJ and BS would be HUGE additions and create even more NSD energy than we have going now!
 
#68
#68
I think we may be able to snuff out some bamer commits that want to be deKIFFENated. Lame going to bamer will be a carcinogen to their program. If I was a recruit or their parent, I'd want to call a Big Orange Audible and would be saying abandon ship! abandon ship!
 
#69
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Madkins8 said:
That is incorrect. LOI's have absolutely nothing to do with being an initial counter. If you accept financial aid from a university, you are an initial counter. There is no way around that.

The FAA "loophole" just gives us room with the SEC 25 signee rule, which will allow us to have our Grayshirt(s) and possible non-qualifiers sign a LOI.
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I think you are correct.
I used the term initial counter as the same as the 25 limit.
Previously the language used in the rules made them the same for Walk on, GS, EE, and LOI.
Since the new rules made it where you cannot go back to the previous year, and back count one of those to the year before the wording there still considers them initial counters, as well as counting against the 25 limit.
It however leaves out some of the walk on and GS verbiage.
So, if FAA is signed before Dec dedline, then they can sort of be considered a GS or walkon for 2013 as long as they enrolled mid term (EE).
Then they pick up the 2014 scholarship without counting against the signing limit.

I was trying to avoid the confusing parts of the wording.
It still may not work, as it is dependent on NCAA, and the players but it is worth a shot.

If it comes down to it we can still back count 5, count the 25, add in 2 blue shirts in the Berrys, and maybe 1 or 2 more Blue shirts, and 1 or 2 GS.
We could still pull 33 for sure that way, but maybe upto 35 or 36.
Its dependent on players willing to trust that if the walk on they can go on scholarship in time for summer or fall.
 
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#70
However the numbers work out I am confident we get commitments from
Robertson
Scott
&
very good chance
Evans

I believe we loose Cory Thomas & that puts us at 34 I think. Butch has been quoted recently as saying we may take over 30 & they have found a loophole. I dont know about blue or grey shirting but I think Robertson can also Blue Shirt along w the Berrys & we may have 1 Grey Shirt. Which puts us back to 30. Not sure how they will get it done but I do believe Butch & Co have something figured out that will allow us more than the 30 number
 
#71
#71
RB:
5* Jalen Hurd
4* Darrel Scott
3* Treyvon Paulk

WR:
5* Josh Malone
4* Lavon Pearson
4* Vic Wharton

TE:
4* Daniel Helm
3* Ethan Wolf

TE/HB:
3* Neiko Creamer

OL:
4* Dontavious Blair
3* Ray Raulerson
3* Coleman Thomas
3* Orlando Brown Jr

DL:
4* Derek Barnett
4* Joe Henderson
4* Dewayne Hendrix
4* Craig Evans
3* Cory Thomas
3* Dimarya Mixon
3* Owen Williams
3* Charles Mosley
3* Jashon Robertson

LB:
4* Dillon Bates
4* Kevin Mouhon
4* Chris Weatherd
3* Jakob Johnson
3* Gavin Bryant
3* Elliott Berry
3* Jerome Dews (GS)

CB:
4* D'Andre Payne
4* Evan Berry
3* Emmanuel Moseley

NB/S:
4* Rashaun Gaulden

S:
4* Todd Kelly Jr
4* Cortez McDowell

K:
3* Aaron Medley

We finish with
2 5*'s
17 4*'s
17 3*'s
 
#72
#72
vol_in_ga said:
RB:
5* Jalen Hurd
4* Darrel Scott
3* Treyvon Paulk

WR:
5* Josh Malone
4* Lavon Pearson
4* Vic Wharton

TE:
4* Daniel Helm
3* Ethan Wolf

TE/HB:
3* Neiko Creamer

OL:
4* Dontavious Blair
3* Ray Raulerson
3* Coleman Thomas
3* Orlando Brown Jr

DL:
4* Derek Barnett
4* Joe Henderson
4* Dewayne Hendrix
4* Craig Evans
3* Cory Thomas
3* Dimarya Mixon
3* Owen Williams
3* Charles Mosley
3* Jashon Robertson

LB:
4* Dillon Bates
4* Kevin Mouhon
4* Chris Weatherd
3* Jakob Johnson
3* Gavin Bryant
3* Elliott Berry
3* Jerome Dews (GS)

CB:
4* D'Andre Payne
4* Evan Berry
3* Emmanuel Moseley

NB/S:
4* Rashaun Gaulden

S:
4* Todd Kelly Jr
4* Cortez McDowell

K:
3* Aaron Medley

We finish with
2 5*'s
17 4*'s
17 3*'s
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Looks good to me - incredible roster upgrades across the board!! Only area of concerns is only 4 OL. Would love to see Robertson or Mosley move to Offense
 
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