Elementary School shooting in Conn

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rockytop9808 said:
No, and no. Murder is illegal. Protesting is protected.

It's only dangerous for those protesting if other actors break the law. Yelling "fire" is dangerous because it creates a sense of imminent danger that can result in pandemonium and injury.
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That's the true Democrat I expected to surface. If your baby is mutilated by a monster, the first thing you are going to do is embrace constitutional rights. Um, OK. As a Father first and foremost, I'm going to hopefully hunt and destroy the bastard that hurt my child and follow suit with any Westboro flakes stupid enough to protest at my baby's funeral.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Ignore them. Encourage everyone you know to do the same. You can't take away their right to protest, so this is the best way to get rid of them.

Let them protest, but act like they don't exist. Don't virally promote where they're going to be, like what's happening right now.

Once people quit caring, once people quit reacting, these sh*theads vanish. They're famous for controversy. Once the novelty of controversy is gone, they'll be gone with it. They win when you get outraged.
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How do you tell a grieving parent not to be outraged that a group of maniacs is using their child's death and funeral as a tool to support their agenda? I understand what you're saying, I just don't believe it's reasonable to ask grieving family not to react.
 
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Weezer said:
How do you tell a grieving parent not to be outraged that a group of maniacs is using their child's death and funeral as a tool to support their agenda? I understand what you're saying, I just don't believe it's reasonable to ask grieving family not to react.
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You hope that they're better people than the ones doing the protesting. So far, most of the people directly involved have been.
 
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therealUT said:
Mentally ill individuals that have proven they are a threat to society ought to be removed from society. That is not a free pass. But, one can remove an individual from society for reasons other than "that person is evil"; evil is not a necessary condition for their removal. In fact, I would argue that it is not even a sufficient condition for the removal of someone from society.

The guy was mentally ill. These things are being reported as facts, now.
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I always find it quite funny and ridiculous that when something like this happens...the gunman is automatically labeled as "mentally ill"....like we are suppose to sympathize with that person and say bless his/her heart the poor thing didn't know what they were doing so let's only sentence him/her to 15 years in prison on the principal that they had no control over what they were doing. Give me a ****ing break. This guy was a piece of **** and deserves to burn in hell.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
I always find it quite funny and ridiculous that when something like this happens...the gunman is automatically labeled as "mentally ill"....like we are suppose to sympathize with that person and say bless his/her heart the poor thing didn't know what they were doing so let's only sentence him/her to 15 years in prison on the principal that they had no control over what they were doing. Give me a ****ing break. This guy was a piece of **** and deserves to burn in hell.
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I would think anyone committing murder is insane to some degree. Why is insanity even a defense?
 
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rockytop9808 said:
No, and no. Murder is illegal. Protesting is protected.

It's only dangerous for those protesting if other actors break the law. Yelling "fire" is dangerous because it creates a sense of imminent danger that can result in pandemonium and injury.
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Extreme emotional distress has been used successfully as a defense in the past. Protesting the funeral of a child does create imminent danger in my opinion. Common sense tells you it's a powder keg ready to blow.
 
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Weezer said:
Extreme emotional distress has been used successfully as a defense in the past. Protesting the funeral of a child does create imminent danger in my opinion. Common sense tells you it's a powder keg ready to blow.
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Could be, but there hasn't been as much actual violence against the group as one would think.

Their speech is offensive, as is a lot of people's, but unless they start attacking people nothing will change- and it shouldn't.

If they stick to what they usually do and protest a distance away from the site, on public ground, what can be done? Do you say people can't protest within a mile of a site? Two miles? On certain days? You're getting into some serious trouble that way.

They're real life trolls- nothing more- and ignoring them ends them. It's really that simple, I'm sorry.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
No, and no. Murder is illegal. Protesting is protected.

It's only dangerous for those protesting if other actors break the law. Yelling "fire" is dangerous because it creates a sense of imminent danger that can result in pandemonium and injury.
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See I have to agree with Weezer on this one. Eventually these clowns are gonna protest the wrong funeral and somebody will get seriously hurt/killed. When this happens I believe the WBC will be just as, if not more, responsible than the other group involved.
 
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SouthKnoxVOL said:
I always find it quite funny and ridiculous that when something like this happens...the gunman is automatically labeled as "mentally ill"....like we are suppose to sympathize with that person and say bless his/her heart the poor thing didn't know what they were doing so let's only sentence him/her to 15 years in prison on the principal that they had no control over what they were doing. Give me a ****ing break. This guy was a piece of **** and deserves to burn in hell.
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PrattvilleVol said:
I would think anyone committing murder is insane to some degree. Why is insanity even a defense?
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Whether he was mentally ill or not, the act itself was evil. I didn't know this man so I will not judge him. If you are Christian, it's not your place to judge anyway. Mental illness is real and can cause individuals to act in extreme ways. In no way am I condoning what was done, but I don't believe it fair to lump mental illness under one umbrella or dismiss it as untrue.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
See I have to agree with Weezer on this one. Eventually these clowns are gonna protest the wrong funeral and somebody will get seriously hurt/killed. When this happens I believe the WBC will be just as, if not more, responsible than the other group involved.
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Killing someone is never an acceptable emotional reaction, whether you're in distress or not.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Could be, but there hasn't been as much actual violence against the group as one would think.

Their speech is offensive, as is a lot of people's, but unless they start attacking people nothing will change- and it shouldn't.

If they stick to what they usually do and protest a distance away from the site, on public ground, what can be done? Do you say people can't protest within a mile of a site? Two miles? On certain days? You're getting into some serious trouble that way.

They're real life trolls- nothing more- and ignoring them ends them. It's really that simple, I'm sorry.
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It's really not that simple. When you toy with people's emotions, you are playing with fire. You shouldn't be surprised if you get burnt. You're trying to apply logic to an illogical situation. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. You cannot expect an emotionally distressed person to act in a logical manner. Grief is possibly the most intense emotion. It's a volcano just ready to erupt.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Killing someone is never an acceptable emotional reaction, whether you're in distress or not.
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Again, you're applying logic to an illogical situation. Life is not that simple. Wrong/right, black/white, there's more to the world than one or the other.
 
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Well one thing for certain westboro is the most hated group in America, so it's not a matter of IF but a matter of WHEN something will happen at one of their protest and the way they are going it's going to be soon if they continue doing it and they have been warned in every place they protest about the risk they are taking.
 
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Weezer said:
Again, you're applying logic to an illogical situation. Life is not that simple. Wrong/right, black/white, there's more to the world than one or the other.
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This is 100% black and white.

Killing someone is not OK just because you're angry or sad.
 
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Weezer said:
It's really not that simple. When you toy with people's emotions, you are playing with fire. You shouldn't be surprised if you get burnt. You're trying to apply logic to an illogical situation. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. You cannot expect an emotionally distressed person to act in a logical manner. Grief is possibly the most intense emotion. It's a volcano just ready to erupt.
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Then stop feeding it.
 
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Idk what is worse the shooting or the picketing at the kids funerals by the church. Both IMO are sickkkkkkkk. This world is broken and man kind is broken. Alien invasion just needs to happen. Put us out of our misery.
 
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brandonco05 said:
I hope that none of the posters defending these morons ever have to go through it.
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Westboro protested a buddy of mine's funeral; Westboro protests outside my sister's church about once a month. They have that right and they ought to have that right. Some individuals died thinking that they were protecting that right and knowing that protecting that right includes allowing *******s to be *******s.
 
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Some of you have weird interpretations of the 1st amendment.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference.First Amendment | LII / Legal Information Institute

The government can't tell these people not to protest, and can't try to stop him.

We, as citizens, are not the government.

If these people showed up to the funeral of one of my children, I would attack them.

Now, I would also probably go to jail.

But let's make one thing clear; I didn't break their 1st amendment rights because I can't break their 1st amendment rights. That ability is reserved only by the United States government.

It's like if someone came up to my face and called me a *****. If I punch them in the face I might go to jail, but their words will be taken into account, and I certainly won't see extra time for violating their rights.

Let's not get on our high horse about constitutional freedom.
 
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therealUT said:
Westboro protested a buddy of mine's funeral; Westboro protests outside my sister's church about once a month. They have that right and they ought to have that right. Some individuals died thinking that they were protecting that right and knowing that protecting that right includes allowing *******s to be *******s.
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If held on private property, you also have the right to make them leave, forcibly.

It isn't our job to protect the 1st amendment people.

The idea of you watching that happen because you think it is their right to be there and your responsibility to allow them is sickening to me.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
If held on private property, you also have the right to make them leave, forcibly.

It isn't our job to protect the 1st amendment people.

The idea of you watching that happen because you think it is their right to be there and your responsibility to allow them is sickening to me.
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Then whose job is it?
 
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Ten_Titans said:
If held on private property, you also have the right to make them leave, forcibly.
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I agree. Many funerals are not held on private property; further, the Westboro protesters protest on public property.

Ten_Titans said:
It isn't our job to protect the 1st amendment people.
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I quite disagree. Not only was it explicitly one of my jobs, but I also think that it is implicitly the role of every citizen.

Ten_Titans said:
The idea of you watching that happen because you think it is their right to be there and your responsibility to allow them is sickening to me.
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It is their right and it is protected by the Constitution. I have no right to stop them, I desire no right to stop them, and I ought to have no right to stop them. I care little whether I sicken you by standing up for the rights of those with whom I disagree.
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Ignore them. Encourage everyone you know to do the same. You can't take away their right to protest, so this is the best way to get rid of them.

Let them protest, but act like they don't exist. Don't virally promote where they're going to be, like what's happening right now.

Once people quit caring, once people quit reacting, these sh*theads vanish. They're famous for controversy. Once the novelty of controversy is gone, they'll be gone with it. They win when you get outraged.
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Yes thats true - hippies disappeared - the occupy wall street (and other occupy) dimwits are gone - most KKK/White Supremist, gatherings are gone etc
 
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