Election Night Thread

#51
#51
Must be more of that crazy right wing interpretation - this time from that bastion of the right; The Washington Post

washingtonpost.com

The most significant change came among independent voters, who solidly backed Democrats in 2006 and 2008 but moved decisively to the Republicans on Tuesday, according to exit polls. In Virginia, independents strongly supported Republican Robert F. McDonnell in his victory over Democrat R. Creigh Deeds, while in New Jersey, they supported Republican Chris Christie in his win over Democratic Gov. Jon S. Corzine.

For months, polls have shown that independents were increasingly disaffected with some of Obama's domestic policies. They have expressed reservations about the president's health-care efforts and have shown concerns about the growth in government spending and the federal deficit under his leadership.
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Beyond the shift among independents, there were other worrisome indicators that the coalition Obama attracted last year is a shrunken force, at least for the time being. One question all year has been whether, without Obama on the ballot, Democrats could attract the new voters who went to the polls in 2008. In New Jersey and Virginia, the answer was no.
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#52
#52
More positive street cred for Obama's stimulus plan...

"President Barack Obama's economic recovery program saved 935 jobs at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, an impressive success story for the stimulus plan. Trouble is, only 508 people work there.

At Southwest Georgia Community Action Council in Moultrie, Ga., director Myrtis Mulkey-Ndawula said she followed the guidelines the Obama administration provided. She said she multiplied the 508 employees by 1.84 — the percentage pay raise they received — and came up with 935 jobs saved.

"I would say it's confusing at best," she said. "But we followed the instructions we were given."

I guess Obama is using "new math" to determine that it's okay to count pay raises as jobs saved. Can't wait till they come out with the number of jobs they've "saved" in the financial industry.

Stimulus watch: Pay raise counted as saved job - Economy in Turmoil- msnbc.com
 
#53
#53
IBlvNTmWrk said:
More positive street cred for Obama's stimulus plan...

"President Barack Obama's economic recovery program saved 935 jobs at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, an impressive success story for the stimulus plan. Trouble is, only 508 people work there.

At Southwest Georgia Community Action Council in Moultrie, Ga., director Myrtis Mulkey-Ndawula said she followed the guidelines the Obama administration provided. She said she multiplied the 508 employees by 1.84 — the percentage pay raise they received — and came up with 935 jobs saved.

"I would say it's confusing at best," she said. "But we followed the instructions we were given."

I guess Obama is using "new math" to determine that it's okay to count pay raises as jobs saved. Can't wait till they come out with the number of jobs they've "saved" in the financial industry.

Stimulus watch: Pay raise counted as saved job - Economy in Turmoil- msnbc.com
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to quote LG

lawgator1 said:
there are so many problems with that math that I don't know where to start.
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#54
#54
IBlvNTmWrk said:
More positive street cred for Obama's stimulus plan...

"President Barack Obama's economic recovery program saved 935 jobs at the Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, an impressive success story for the stimulus plan. Trouble is, only 508 people work there.

At Southwest Georgia Community Action Council in Moultrie, Ga., director Myrtis Mulkey-Ndawula said she followed the guidelines the Obama administration provided. She said she multiplied the 508 employees by 1.84 — the percentage pay raise they received — and came up with 935 jobs saved.

"I would say it's confusing at best," she said. "But we followed the instructions we were given."

I guess Obama is using "new math" to determine that it's okay to count pay raises as jobs saved. Can't wait till they come out with the number of jobs they've "saved" in the financial industry.

Stimulus watch: Pay raise counted as saved job - Economy in Turmoil- msnbc.com
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the dems love pointing out the individual policemen or whatever whose jobs were saved. what about the other 900 billion?
 
#56
#56
utvolpj, where at in virginia do u live? i live in salem(outside of Roanoke). i think u told me u lived in norfolk but im not sure
 
#61
#61
There is significant objective proof that New Jersey doesn't mean what you are arguing it means (from CNN):

Alternatively, consider the outcome in New Jersey, where Republican Chris Christie knocked off incumbent Gov. Jon Corzine. This election is being touted as a referendum on Obama, who took a risk -- a bad one, indeed -- by campaigning on behalf of Corzine.

But Obama was the least of Corzine's problems: Voters in Tuesday's election approved of Obama's performance 57 percent to 43 percent, according to exit polling. It was Corzine they didn't like; 27 percent of the voters who approved of Obama nevertheless found someone other than the Democratic incumbent to vote for.

Corzine, for his part, ran a polarizing campaign; every time Christie's name appeared in one of his commercials, it came with a scarlet (R) -- for Republican -- attached. Republicans are not popular in New Jersey, but local issues drove the race.

Whereas three-quarters of Corzine's voters cited a national issue -- health care or the economy -- as their primary reason for voting for him, two-thirds of Christie's picked a local one (property taxes and corruption).
 
#62
#62
lawgator1 said:
There is significant objective proof that New Jersey doesn't mean what you are arguing it means (from CNN):

Alternatively, consider the outcome in New Jersey, where Republican Chris Christie knocked off incumbent Gov. Jon Corzine. This election is being touted as a referendum on Obama, who took a risk -- a bad one, indeed -- by campaigning on behalf of Corzine.

But Obama was the least of Corzine's problems: Voters in Tuesday's election approved of Obama's performance 57 percent to 43 percent, according to exit polling. It was Corzine they didn't like; 27 percent of the voters who approved of Obama nevertheless found someone other than the Democratic incumbent to vote for.

Corzine, for his part, ran a polarizing campaign; every time Christie's name appeared in one of his commercials, it came with a scarlet (R) -- for Republican -- attached. Republicans are not popular in New Jersey, but local issues drove the race.

Whereas three-quarters of Corzine's voters cited a national issue -- health care or the economy -- as their primary reason for voting for him, two-thirds of Christie's picked a local one (property taxes and corruption).
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I hope you dems continue to ignore and disregard the results from last night. I hope they keep on down the road they are going, should make 2010 and 2012 easier to take this country back.
 
#63
#63
volfanjustin said:
I hope you dems continue to ignore and disregard the results from last night. I hope they keep on down the road they are going, should make 2010 and 2012 easier to take this country back.
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I doubt last night is going to cause change in course. The right will try to use it to scare moderate R's and blue dog D's. Might have some effect in that regard.
 
#64
#64
so you don't think obama's rapidly declining poll numbers have anything to do with this?
 
#66
#66
droski said:
so you don't think obama's rapidly declining poll numbers have anything to do with this?
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There are two questions here, though, related to his poll numbers going down.

First is why.

Second is whether it means anything.

I think the reason why has much less to do with some sort of dawning on people that Obama is liberal and much more to do with continuing anxiety over the economy. There is some of both, and I would not venture to place percentages on it, but it does seem to me that the people complaining about his political views were always in that posture and those not opposed have not changed their minds based on that.

Whether it means anything is debatable. Probably depends on context. I think it has less effect on health care than you might think. The public option debate is far more about special interests than anything else. For both sides.



lumberjack4 said:
His poll numbers are down? I thought he declared an end to the recession...twice.
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Like Bush declaring the war over, like, six years ago?

Besdies, under technical definition, the recession is over.
 
#67
#67
lawgator1 said:
There are two questions here, though, related to his poll numbers going down.

First is why.

Second is whether it means anything.

I think the reason why has much less to do with some sort of dawning on people that Obama is liberal and much more to do with continuing anxiety over the economy. There is some of both, and I would not venture to place percentages on it, but it does seem to me that the people complaining about his political views were always in that posture and those not opposed have not changed their minds based on that.

Whether it means anything is debatable. Probably depends on context. I think it has less effect on health care than you might think. The public option debate is far more about special interests than anything else. For both sides.






Like Bush declaring the war over, like, six years ago?

Besdies, under technical definition, the recession is over.
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If we are using this as the standard why were we being told a year or so that we were in a recession before we actually were?
 
#68
#68
lawgator1 said:
Like Bush declaring the war over, like, six years ago?

Besdies, under technical definition, the recession is over.
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First off Bush declaring Mission Accomplished was a stupid thing to do.

If you are referring to the recession being over simply because of the GDP increase thanks to massive amounts of government spending and rising unemployment, then I guess we will be in a "new" recession after the next quarter when the GDP doesn't have gaudy government spending to make up for the drop in investments and consumer spending which has a much bigger impact on the economy that spending "Obama's stash"
 
#70
#70
lawgator1 said:
As I said earlier ....
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Way to ignore the Washington Post story.

I don't believe anyone on here has claimed these elections were a referendum on Obama.

What they do show is that his base of support didn't get excited about these candidates and more importantly, the wave of support he received from Independents is rapidly waning. His poll numbers show it and these results show it.
 
#71
#71
Obama lives or dies with the direction of the economy... its not really all that complicated. Now for those on the Hill... its much more complicated.
 
#72
#72
cd12 said:
Obama lives or dies with the direction of the economy... its not really all that complicated. Now for those on the Hill... its much more complicated.
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True for him. His agenda is more subject to the shifts in sentiment for or away from Congressional members.
 
#73
#73
What I find funny are the huge numbers of democrats that are disenchanted with Obama because he "isn't doing enough" and is "negotiating too much with the Republicans." They honestly believe he is governing too much from the middle. I know that I am in Boston, but I was shocked at the number of quotes I've been seeing around here....
 
#74
#74
TennTradition said:
What I find funny are the huge numbers of democrats that are disenchanted with Obama because he "isn't doing enough" and is "negotiating too much with the Republicans." They honestly believe he is governing too much from the middle. I know that I am in Boston, but I was shocked at the number of quotes I've been seeing around here....
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It is odd. I'm surprised his support has remained as high as it is considering:

Hardcore Dems think he's not doing enough

Moderate Dems and Independents think he's overspending and over-reaching

The young are realizing his rhetoric was just that and he's not a "movement" any more.

If he were politically smarter, he'd have devoted all the HC efforts into economic recovery. If successful, he would have been a true God and HC, cap-and-trade, etc. would have been a piece of cake.
 
#75
#75
droski said:
are you honestly trying to argue that obama's socialist agenda, and his utter and complete arrogance about it, isn't by far the #1 reason why his poll ratings suck and there is a backlash?
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There may very well be backlash, but the #1 reason his poll ratings are going down is the lack of improvement in the economy.
 
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