Edward Snowden: American Hero

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GoBigOrangeUT said:
There is nothing patriotic about releasing information and then running and hiding to avoid being caught. Any ounce of patriotism he may have had disappeared when he started bidding the information for a country to take him in.
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If he went through proper channels the story would never have seen the light of day.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Holy ****ing ****.
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You don't get it do you? One cannot make progress without breaking the status quo. Something diehard liberals love to talk about. "progression" I think is the word used. We have a govt agency that has been breaking my 4th amendment right of due process for I don't know how long now and a man with the info decides to bring it to light.

You think that same govt is going to treat him nicely? The man is far from a traitor. He's a patriot and doing what he can to survive.

Meanwhile these same people who call him a traitor celebrated the life of Mandela the past couple weeks. A man who broke the status quo and suffered for it but brought to light grave issues in his country.

Edward snowden broke the status quo and is now suffering for it as a fugitive but brought to light grave issues in his county.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
You don't get it do you? One cannot make progress without breaking the status quo. Something diehard liberals love to talk about. "progression" I think is the word used. We have a govt agency that has been breaking my 4th amendment right of due process for I don't know how long now and a man with the info decides to bring it to light.

You think that same govt is going to treat him nicely? The man is far from a traitor. He's a patriot and doing what he can to survive.

Meanwhile these same people who call him a traitor celebrated the life of Mandela the past couple weeks. A man who broke the status quo and suffered for it but brought to light grave issues in his country.

Edward snowden broke the status quo and is now suffering for it as a fugitive but brought to light grave issues in his county.
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If his only motivation for doing it was to bring to light the illegal acts of the government, that's fine and something I can stand behind.

However, he is attempting to use it to seek asylum.

If ALL he cared about was to bring this stuff to the surface, he would turn himself in now, because it has been brought to the surface, thus, he accomplished his goal. I would then call him a hero.

But, instead, he is on the run, hiding like a *****, afraid to face the consequences he had to have known were coming.

Mandela went to prison for 20 years for what he did. Snowden is hiding. So yeah, Mandela is more of a hero than Snowden.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If his only motivation for doing it was to bring to light the illegal acts of the government, that's fine and something I can stand behind.

However, he is attempting to use it to seek asylum.

If ALL he cared about was to bring this stuff to the surface, he would turn himself in now, because it has been brought to the surface, thus, he accomplished his goal. I would then call him a hero.

But, instead, he is on the run, hiding like a *****, afraid to face the consequences he had to have known were coming.

Mandela went to prison for 20 years for what he did. Snowden is hiding. So yeah, Mandela is more of a hero than Snowden.
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Do you think that's all the govt would do to snowden is imprison him? I'm surprised this admin hasn't droned him yet honestly. He's doing what it takes to survive. I don't fault him for it. It's the govts fault he's out there anyway.

Oh and 30 years ago, the govt wasn't spying on its citizens illegally.
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Do you think that's all the govt would do to snowden is imprison him? I'm surprised this admin hasn't droned him yet honestly. He's doing what it takes to survive. I don't fault him for it. It's the govts fault he's out there anyway.

Oh and 30 years ago, the govt wasn't spying on its citizens illegally.
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Only because they didn't have the technology to do it. But I'm sure they had other ways to do it.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If his only motivation for doing it was to bring to light the illegal acts of the government, that's fine and something I can stand behind.

However, he is attempting to use it to seek asylum.

If ALL he cared about was to bring this stuff to the surface, he would turn himself in now, because it has been brought to the surface, thus, he accomplished his goal. I would then call him a hero.

But, instead, he is on the run, hiding like a *****, afraid to face the consequences he had to have known were coming.

Mandela went to prison for 20 years for what he did. Snowden is hiding. So yeah, Mandela is more of a hero than Snowden.
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He's not hiding. He had to leave America for exposing the government for violating the very rights they are suppose to protect. He opened eyes & on the surface there will be changes to protect our right. Whether it actually happens who knows.....it is the government.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Only because they didn't have the technology to do it. But I'm sure they had other ways to do it.
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And 30 years ago, the same people who call him a hero would have called the govt commies if it were brought to light. He would still be a hero for shedding light in illegal govt actions that violate our basic rights.
 
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The scope of the leaks has gone well beyond domestic surveillance. The NSAs collaboration with Canada, New Zealand, Australia, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway, and the UK have been outed and the leaks continue on. Your naive if you believe this doesn't effect national security. Snowden is far from being innocent.
 
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Not sure why people get so caught up in Snowden's motives or behavior.

Was it good or bad that he disclosed what the NSA is doing? All of this other stuff is secondary.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
I don't give a **** about the context of the information he leaked. He still committed treason. If a soldier leaked information about the whereabouts of military operations, he would be a traitor and would rightfully be court marshaled for it.

What's the difference?
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Treason is the only crime defined by the constitution. To convict him of treason you would have to stretch the meaning of "giving aid and comfort" to our enemies.

He told the American people their government was spying on them. If you see the American people as the enemy, then I guess you are justified in calling it treason.
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
If his only motivation for doing it was to bring to light the illegal acts of the government, that's fine and something I can stand behind.

However, he is attempting to use it to seek asylum.
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What would you do at this point? Just accept whatever the US government does to you?

If Obama is worried about what Snowden can tell our enemies, couldn't he just...you know....pardon him?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What would you do at this point? Just accept whatever the US government does to you?

If Obama is worried about what Snowden can tell our enemies, couldn't he just...you know....pardon him?
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Like I said, I'm surprised he hasn't been droned yet.
 
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