Edward Snowden: American Hero

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tnmarktx said:
He is a freshman senator, how is he being hypocritical?
He didn't vote for the patriot act, nor did he vote to keep it. So again, how is he being hypocritical?

Ted Cruz might not be perfect, but he is by far better then most senators. A far cry better then those 2 morons in Tennessee.
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Yes he is a freshman senator that sits on the powerful judiciary committee and the subcommittees listed in my previous post which has had classified meeting and votes on this specific program or so it is being reported.

How do you know how he voted in those classified meetings?
 
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Gramps said:
Yes he is a freshman senator that sits on the powerful judiciary committee and the subcommittees listed in my previous post which has had classified meeting and votes on this specific program or so it is being reported.

How do you know how he voted in those classified meetings?
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How do you know how he voted? Would you rather just bash him, just because. The way I figure it, the dems hate him, most of his own party hates him, he must be doing something right.
 
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tnmarktx said:
How do you know how he voted? Would you rather just bash him, just because. The way I figure it, the dems hate him, most of his own party hates him, he must be doing something right.
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You don't figure too good.

How he voted in these classified meetings is not the point.
The point is Cruz sat on one of the committees that has oversite of the NSA program. Cruz knew this program in detail yet his rhetoric is as if he did not. That makes him a hypocrit on this issue.
 
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if he'd just passed on the information to the Washington Post, he could be considered a hero

however, he also bolted to China, which suggests something other than some noble purpose. Anybody with a pulse understands that the Chinese will welcome him with open arms when the cameras are rolling, but as soon as they have Snowden behind closed doors, Bradley Manning is going to look like Lincoln by comparison.
 
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Gramps said:
You don't figure too good.

1. How he voted in these classified meetings is not the point.
The point is Cruz sat on one of the committees that has oversite of the NSA program. 2. Cruz knew this program in detail yet his rhetoric is as if he did not. That makes him a3. hypocrit on this issue.
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1.Then why bring it up in the 1st place? You are the one that brought this up.

2. How do you know what he knew? Just because he is on a committee, does not mean the NSA couldn't have lied to the whole committee. They did not want this to get out.

3. Lastly, it's hypocrite
 
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MG1968 said:
if he'd just passed on the information to the Washington Post, he could be considered a hero

however, he also bolted to China, which suggests something other than some noble purpose. Anybody with a pulse understands that the Chinese will welcome him with open arms when the cameras are rolling, but as soon as they have Snowden behind closed doors, Bradley Manning is going to look like Lincoln by comparison.
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I think that us the crux of the issue. He signed a contract and agreement not to divulge classified information. There are other avenues he could have taken, or whistleblower protections he could have done. He could have gone to any senator that didn't know about this and had them go public on an anonymous source.

The fact that he went to the guardian, and spilled everything (it appears now even the Washington post held back some because they thought he was saying too much) suggest personal gain is his motive.

This is a 30 year old non-educated analyst with no political or legal training. He doesn't get to decide for the rest of us what is needed and what isn't simply because he "doesn't like the program". This has personal gain as a motive written all over it, nothing about preserving liberty.
 
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tnmarktx said:
1.Then why bring it up in the 1st place? You are the one that brought this up.

2. How do you know what he knew? Just because he is on a committee, does not mean the NSA couldn't have lied to the whole committee. They did not want this to get out.

3. Lastly, it's hypocrite
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1. I did not bring up Cruz in the first place, VolsNSkinsFan did. If you had taken time to look at the quoted message I was replying to, you would have known that.

2. Have you followed this story at all?

3. Thank you for the spellin fix.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think that us the crux of the issue. He signed a contract and agreement not to divulge classified information. There are other avenues he could have taken, or whistleblower protections he could have done. He could have gone to any senator that didn't know about this and had them go public on an anonymous source.

The fact that he went to the guardian, and spilled everything (it appears now even the Washington post held back some because they thought he was saying too much) suggest personal gain is his motive.

This is a 30 year old non-educated analyst with no political or legal training. He doesn't get to decide for the rest of us what is needed and what isn't simply because he "doesn't like the program". This has personal gain as a motive written all over it, nothing about preserving liberty.
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excellent post.
 
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Gramps said:
1. I did not bring up Cruz in the first place, VolsNSkinsFan did. If you had taken time to look at the quoted message I was replying to, you would have known that.

2. Have you followed this story at all?

3. Thank you for the spellin fix.
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1. Read your last sentence in post #126

2. Tell me in detail, factual detail not about how you dislike him, how Ted Cruz knew all about the NSA's intrusive data mining.

3. No problem.
 
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LMAO at Rs and Ds

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n_huffhines said:
LMAO at Rs and Ds

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I'm not sure which party would appear more hypocritical, as both show an apparent bias. However, one could argue that the level of "surveillance" (or at least the public's awareness of it) has gotten worse in the past few years. Assuming this to be true, then the R's shift would make sense... but I can't think of any logical reason for the shift in the view of the D's.
 
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Gramps said:
You don't figure too good.

How he voted in these classified meetings is not the point.
The point is Cruz sat on one of the committees that has oversite of the NSA program. Cruz knew this program in detail yet his rhetoric is as if he did not. That makes him a hypocrit on this issue.
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Are you sure about this? There appears to be a pattern under this administration of holding facts close to the vest.
 
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tnmarktx said:
1. Read your last sentence in post #126

2. Tell me in detail, factual detail not about how you dislike him, how Ted Cruz knew all about the NSA's intrusive data mining.

3. No problem.
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I don't dislike Cruz. I have not researched enough about him to determine if I do or do not approve of his policies. I have learned over the years to dig a little deeper than the politican's rhetoric to see where they actually stand.


If Cruz did his job and attended his classified committee meetings he knew the details. If he did not do his job and did not attend his committee meetings he did not know the details . I am assuming as a hungry freshman senator Cruz did do his job and attend the meeting. He may not have. I do not know and neither do you.

Politicans will pander to their base from time to time and not be totally honest. From what I have researched this issue is one of those times for Cruz. Does that me I do not like him? No it does not.

It is easy to research since we have this thing called the internet.
Keep in mind there are sites other than the Drudge Report.
 
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hog88 said:
Are you sure about this? There appears to be a pattern under this administration of holding facts close to the vest.
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He sat on one of the oversite committees for this program.

I will give you the same answer I gave mark.

If Cruz did his job and attended his classified committee meetings he knew the details. If he did not do his job and did not attend his committee meetings he did not know the details . I am assuming as a hungry freshman senator Cruz did do his job and attend the meeting. He may not have. I do not know and neither do you.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And if you don't think this is a major violation of the constitution then you aren't a real liberal.
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I definitely have concerns how this program was run. But this Snoweden character deserves to be prosecuted. There are better avenues to pursue...not telling everything to a newspaper then high-tailing it to China.
 
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rjd970 said:
I think that us the crux of the issue. He signed a contract and agreement not to divulge classified information. There are other avenues he could have taken, or whistleblower protections he could have done. He could have gone to any senator that didn't know about this and had them go public on an anonymous source.

The fact that he went to the guardian, and spilled everything (it appears now even the Washington post held back some because they thought he was saying too much) suggest personal gain is his motive.

This is a 30 year old non-educated analyst with no political or legal training. He doesn't get to decide for the rest of us what is needed and what isn't simply because he "doesn't like the program". This has personal gain as a motive written all over it, nothing about preserving liberty.
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Exactly how I feel in the whole subject. Calling the guy a hero is a tremendous stretch and I think what he did and how he went about it was very wreckless.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
I'm not sure which party would appear more hypocritical, as both show an apparent bias. However, one could argue that the level of "surveillance" (or at least the public's awareness of it) has gotten worse in the past few years. Assuming this to be true, then the R's shift would make sense... but I can't think of any logical reason for the shift in the view of the D's.
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Both sides are worthless D'bags that have no real political backbone or principles to stand on.
 
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Is it a traitor when he's only helping the American public? I know its classified, but regardless of what the politicians say, it's not to trick the terrorists, but to keep the public out of it.
 
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