Economic Upheaval Coming With Artificial Intelligence

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AM64 said:
To me the question boils down to one very simple point. If machines can do everything, then why would they need us? What's the basis for human existence, what's the basis for human skill or knowledge, for compensation? Do we get warehoused until some bright boy robot decides there's no reason?

Think about a war fought by drones, and the question is "why"? There's no personal stake, no personal risk, it's basic insanity. Who loses? The first team who runs out of toys? That's been a thought that I haven't been able to answer since the first articles published about AI drones on the battlefield and in the air. If there's no personal risk, then what's to prevent perpetual war? Why not just press the nuke button now and get it over with? If you think about AI as being logical and deciding there's no reason for war, then what if the particular brand of AI evolves into one that believes in conquest/domination?

Imagine a tennis match played by robots ... why ... de dunk de dunk ad infinitum? Has man really gotten so smart that he's become terminally stupid and planning his own obsolescence and demise? This has been covered in detail in science fiction, and yet here we are. Who needs musicians ... they are flawed, just get HAL, and sure as hell don't forget the applause.

This isn't a question of can it be done; this is a question of why in the hell would we do it. If mankind's crowning achievement is making himself obsolete, then why did we work so hard to "evolve", to become more "learned", more "competent"?
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Efficient, productive; creating artificial entities to accomplish this and more learned and more competent seems to be our means to an end.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
Efficient, productive; creating artificial entities to accomplish this and more learned and more competent seems to be our means to an end.
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SamRebel35 said:
I feel like we're about to be living an Isaac Asimov novel.
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I liked somebody's comment to the article about the AI drone going rogue.

Does anyone else get the feeling we are ******* around and will find out eventually?
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It's always seemed to be that we keep looking at things backwards. Instead of finding less for man to do; we should be figuring out how to keep mankind productive.
 
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I liked somebody's comment to the article about the AI drone going rogue.



It's always seemed to be that we keep looking at things backwards. Instead of finding less for man to do; we should be figuring out how to keep mankind productive.
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Don't worry, I am sure the robots will figure out some way we can serve them.
 
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To me the question boils down to one very simple point. If machines can do everything, then why would they need us? What's the basis for human existence, what's the basis for human skill or knowledge, for compensation? Do we get warehoused until some bright boy robot decides there's no reason?

Think about a war fought by drones, and the question is "why"? There's no personal stake, no personal risk, it's basic insanity. Who loses? The first team who runs out of toys? That's been a thought that I haven't been able to answer since the first articles published about AI drones on the battlefield and in the air. If there's no personal risk, then what's to prevent perpetual war? Why not just press the nuke button now and get it over with? If you think about AI as being logical and deciding there's no reason for war, then what if the particular brand of AI evolves into one that believes in conquest/domination?

Imagine a tennis match played by robots ... why ... de dunk de dunk ad infinitum? Has man really gotten so smart that he's become terminally stupid and planning his own obsolescence and demise? This has been covered in detail in science fiction, and yet here we are. Who needs musicians ... they are flawed, just get HAL, and sure as hell don't forget the applause.

This isn't a question of can it be done; this is a question of why in the hell would we do it. If mankind's crowning achievement is making himself obsolete, then why did we work so hard to "evolve", to become more "learned", more "competent"?
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But if we scorch the sky they will grab us and use us for batteries.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It all started with facial recognition. Anybody else been thru customs and immigration lately in a major airport?
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I'm not really keeping up with a lot of the new AI technology that's coming out but it has the potential to be a really scary thing if it's not reigned in.
 
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Lawsuit: Cigna Healthcare Misused AI to Deny Legitimate Insurance Claims

Cigna Healthcare, a major player in the health insurance industry, is now at the center of a federal class action lawsuit over claims that the company has been using AI algorithms to improperly deny customer claims. The lawsuit claims that Cigna’s system denied about 300,000 pre-approved claims, spending an average of 1.2 seconds to deny each claim.

Lawsuit: Cigna Healthcare Misused AI to Deny Legitimate Insurance Claims
 
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Orangeburst said:
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Something Big Is Happening

A personal note for non-tech friends and family on what AI is starting to change.
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good read

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Law Firm Sacks Hundreds of Employees Amid Pivot to AI

Law firm Baker McKenzie is axing up to a thousand support staff employees as it gloats about embracing AI.
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A thousand support staff? Good Lord any law firm big enough to need a thousand support staff is absolutely terrifying that’s a bunch of ambulances that have to be chased and caught to feed that overhead rate.
 
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Orangeburst said:
shumer.dev

Something Big Is Happening

A personal note for non-tech friends and family on what AI is starting to change.
shumer.dev shumer.dev

good read

futurism.com

Law Firm Sacks Hundreds of Employees Amid Pivot to AI

Law firm Baker McKenzie is axing up to a thousand support staff employees as it gloats about embracing AI.
futurism.com futurism.com
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Very interesting read. I think society will adapt to AI to the extent possible, but the number of the chronically unemployed as a result of AI will be astounding. Software, cloud computing, etc. largely helped us do our jobs better, but AI now eliminates many of those jobs altogether. I can only imagine the negative consequences of that.
 
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Vol737 said:
Very interesting read. I think society will adapt to AI to the extent possible, but the number of the chronically unemployed as a result of AI will be astounding. Software, cloud computing, etc. largely helped us do our jobs better, but AI now eliminates many of those jobs altogether. I can only imagine the negative consequences of that.
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yea, if this comes to fruition, I dont know how society or statehood can exist, like humanity is obsolete. I would imagine UBI would have to be implemented, but where does gov get their taxbase?

younguns better learn trades.
 
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Vol737 said:
Very interesting read. I think society will adapt to AI to the extent possible, but the number of the chronically unemployed as a result of AI will be astounding. Software, cloud computing, etc. largely helped us do our jobs better, but AI now eliminates many of those jobs altogether. I can only imagine the negative consequences of that.
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People will have to learn to work with their hands, only so much an artificial brain can do.
 
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Orangeburst said:
shumer.dev

Something Big Is Happening

A personal note for non-tech friends and family on what AI is starting to change.
shumer.dev shumer.dev

good read

futurism.com

Law Firm Sacks Hundreds of Employees Amid Pivot to AI

Law firm Baker McKenzie is axing up to a thousand support staff employees as it gloats about embracing AI.
futurism.com futurism.com
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Wonder how much of this was AI created content?
I also wonder how concerned India and SE Asia is concerned......seems like he's talking about a lot of their citizens.
 
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Orangeburst said:
yea, if this comes to fruition, I dont know how society or statehood can exist, like humanity is obsolete. I would imagine UBI would have to be implemented, but where does gov get their taxbase?

younguns better learn trades.
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Know what? You may have just found the silver lining in all of this. One could only hope it results in much less govt. Downside, of course, is we might be governed by AI.
 
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Wireless1 said:
Wonder how much of this was AI created content?
I also wonder how concerned India and SE Asia is concerned......seems like he's talking about a lot of their citizens.
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The impact on China's labor issue will be interesting. They may benefit since their labor force has shrunk so much.
 
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davethevol said:
Seriously, I bet that down the road AI will be chosen to rule countries. This stuff is going to dictate to mankind and not the other way around.
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I pray you’re wrong but really concerned you’re right after reading the OP-ED in yesterday’s WSJ that talked about how MAJOR advances in AI are now happening in months, not years.

Honestly, it’s frightening, especially considering how unprepared the world seems and will there be a way or the will for AI to be harnessed? Unfortunately, we’re going to find out sooner rather than later.
 
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brockytop said:
I pray you’re wrong but really concerned you’re right after reading the OP-ED in yesterday’s WSJ that talked about how MAJOR advances in AI are now happening in months, not years.

Honestly, it’s frightening, especially considering how unprepared the world seems and will there be a way or the will for AI to be harnessed? Unfortunately, we’re going to find out sooner rather than later.
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This will crush the 25-45 year olds if it comes in that fast
 
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hog88 said:
This will crush the 25-45 year olds if it comes in that fast
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My son pivoted his last semester in college and is learning a skill. I think he'll be fine in the medium term, maybe longer because the public will want actual people to do the job. My daughter.....she needs to meet an AI Robot. Love her to death, but she thinks dad is telling ghost stories.
 
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