East race just for fun

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The 5-way tie would be ridiculously hilarious.

That said, I want to win the East at 8-4. Just to laugh in the face of those who predicted us at 6-6, 5th/6th in the East.

For that to occur, though. The craziness that would have to happen would be as follows in this 5 step plan:

1. We win out, beating Mizzou, Auburn, Vandy, UK. We sit at 8-4 (5-3).

2. Mizzou loses to us and A&M, beats UK and Ole Miss. They finish at 9-3 (5-3). We beat them in head-to-head matchup.

3. South Carolina loses to Miss State, beats Florida. (First of 2 WTF moments in the scenario.) SCe finishes at 8-4 (assuming L to Clemson) (5-3) we beat them in head-to-head matchup.

4. Georgia loses to Florida and Auburn, beats UK. UGA finishes at 7-5/6-6 (Georgia Tech could beat em) (4-4).

5. Florida loses to South Carolina and (here's where it falls apart) Vandy. Florida finishes at 6-6 (they lose back-to-back SEC games, beat Georgia Southern, then get KILLED by FSU and "Famous Jameis") (4-4).

We would have the same SEC record as Mizzou and SCe, but would have beaten both and we'd take the East.

West would most likely be taken by Bama.

(but since we're playing "what if"s, LSU and Auburn beat bama and bama has 2 SEC losses. LSU and Auburn would already have two losses, but LSU would have head-to-head vs bama and Auburn.)

If this SEC-mageddon were to occur, we'd be playing Bama/LSU in the SECCG.

So, I'm saying there's a chance...
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Look anything can happen in College Football. We "what if" scenarios it to death.

If it happens it happens for a reason. Let's just wait and see.

If we were to get to the SECCG it would be a major accomplishment and with this schedule they will have earned it.

I have seen lesser teams get there and even to the NC game.

Let's not taint it with I don't want to see this again without even knowing who the opponent is and I definitely would not want to take an accomplishment like this (SECCG) game away from our players just because a fan doesn't want to see another pre predicted loss by 35 to an unknown opponent.

Let's just wait and see. It will only be a plus if we make it there because it is a validation of our team headed in the right direction. Why take that moment away from the players especially the Seniors? For your on personal embarrassment.

Do this if they make it, then you have a choice to simply not watch the game or attend. That is the simple solution.

The East is down but this is part of the process of rising to the top ahead of schedule. Fear no one. Have faith.

Do you think the 98 Championship team did not have breaks or fate or destiny on their team. Arkansas fumble is just one example.
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Breaks, fate, or destiny started happening for the 98 team in the first game against Syracuse with a pass interference call, and again with a missed Florida field goal, before the Arkansas fumble, and before Florida State having to play a 3rd or 4th string qb. Also, it didn't hurt Tennessee to have that much talent on the field. I will settle for less than the Ch. game this year.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Breaks, fate, or destiny started happening for the 98 team in the first game against Syracuse with a pass interference call, and again with a missed Florida field goal, before the Arkansas fumble, and before Florida State having to play a 3rd or 4th string qb. Also, it didn't hurt Tennessee to have that much talent on the field. I will settle for less than the Ch. game this year.
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I will settle also. Would I love to go to the SECCG, yes no matter who the opponent is. We have seen some good Games in the SECCG and we have seen blowouts.

Getting there is an accomplishment in itself, but if we don't then fine. We just need to do what we need to do and finish the season. Winning out is a possibility, going 3-1 is another and of course 2-2.

I don't think this team drops below .500 this year at anytime, I have said it from the beginning and still believe it.

A lot change in the rankings, with Mizzou and Auburn making the top 11. Did not see that coming, but still believe that this team will not drop below .500.

The SECCG would be a bonus and an unexpected game for this team. In doing so, I would look at it as "an earned" event for several reasons. It would be like two bowls in one season.

It would truly be a fulfillment of Tm 117 by raising the dead. A story for great great grandchildren....LOL
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Winner's attitude versus loser's attitude. Alabama may not make it a whole lot of football to be played.

I could definitely watch a 10-10 half again.
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Realistic vs. orange shades... Would love to be there means we are 8~4 but we could be 8~4 without the sec champ. And have just as much hype going to the cotton bowl or outback IMO.
 
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Volwalker2110 said:
Realistic vs. orange shades... Would love to be there means we are 8~4 but we could be 8~4 without the sec champ. And have just as much hype going to the cotton bowl or outback IMO.
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I am all for it. 8-4 would be great. Chances are higher that this will happen than us making it to the SECCG. To much has got to happen for us to make it.

I see USCe going from the east.

I see Mizzou losing 3 more games....UT, Texas A&M and Mississippi.

Georgia should lose to Auburn. FL is a toss up.

FL would be a terrible representative from the East.

I really see USCe going to the SECCG.

Stranger things have happened. We just have to win out to be considered. If we do it then the SECCG doesn't really matter we will have exceeded expectations and it will be a very strong indicator that we are on the road to the top ahead of schedule. Anything above 5-7 is forward progress.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Winner's attitude versus loser's attitude. Alabama may not make it a whole lot of football to be played.

I could definitely watch a 10-10 half again.
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it wouldn't be 10-10. Bama already had 35, so they coasted. Hopefully you aren't that foolish.
 
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Wylo said:
it wouldn't be 10-10. Bama already had 35, so they coasted. Hopefully you aren't that foolish.
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I am not that foolish, but for the second half of that game it was 10 to 10.

Our team being in the SECCG will more than likely not happen.

However, I am not going to state it demeans the game if we did make it. I am not going to state without a doubt it will be Alabama although chances are very high it will.

I don't even know why we are having this conversation with the exception that somebody about 15 or 20 posts ago stated it would Demean the Game if we represented the SEC Eastern Division.

So I took issue with that statement and would hope you would too.

We don't need to be scared of Alabama or any other school. EVER. Nor should we avoid playing any school for the reason or excuse it would demean the SECCG or any game. That is the attitude of some fans, if it is yours then so be it.

The 10 - 10 score was comic relief to a degree, but wasn't totally out of context. TIFWIW

What is sad is that there are 4 Likes on that post. Pathetic.
 
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Tie Breaker does not go to rankings next. The SEC changed it. The teams remaining tied would go through the head to head results vs the next highest finishing division opponent, so in the OPs case, would be record against Carolina, so Missouri would be out since they lost to USC, then would go to record against Vandy and then to Kentucky, then to any common western SEC opponent and then if the teams were still tied to highest BCS ranking.

SEC Divisional Tie-Breaker > SEC > NEWS
. THREE (OR MORE) TEAM TIE

1. (Once the tie has been reduced to two teams, go to the two-team tie-breaker format.)
2. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
3. Record of the tied teams within the division.
4. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
5. Overall record vs. non-division teams.
6. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
7. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
8. The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC Championship Game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC Championship Game.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I am not that foolish, but for the second half of that game it was 10 to 10.

Our team being in the SECCG will more than likely not happen.

However, I am not going to state it demeans the game if we did make it. I am not going to state without a doubt it will be Alabama although chances are very high it will.

I don't even know why we are having this conversation with the exception that somebody about 15 or 20 posts ago stated it would Demean the Game if we represented the SEC Eastern Division.

So I took issue with that statement and would hope you would too.

We don't need to be scared of Alabama or any other school. EVER. Nor should we avoid playing any school for the reason or excuse it would demean the SECCG or any game. That is the attitude of some fans, if it is yours then so be it.

The 10 - 10 score was comic relief to a degree, but wasn't totally out of context. TIFWIW
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Excellent response. Way more well thought out than I imagined your response would be. I'll wear the jackass cap for assuming the worst.

I do agree that no matter how far down we fall, we should never be afraid of opportunity. Getting to Atlanta would give UT an opportunity to be SEC Champs. That far outweighs any downside to playing Alabama.
 
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BanditVol said:
Currently here are the SEC East standings...

Missouri 3-1
USC 4-2
Florida 3-2
Georgia 3-2
Tennessee 1-3
Vanderbilt 1-4
Kentucky 0-4

So here is what could happen....We win out. 5-3 with a division record of 4-2. (we would be 2-2 on first tiebreaker)

USC loses to Florida and beats MSU. 5-3 with a 3-3 division record. (1-3)

Florida loses to Georgia, beats USC and Vandy. 5-3 with a 4-2 division record. (2-2)

Georgia beats Florida and UK, but loses to Auburn. 5-3 with a 4-2 division record. (3-1)

Missouri loses to Tennessee and Tamu, but beats Kentucky and Ole Miss. 5-3 with a 4-2 division record. (2-2)

Now there are FIVE TEAMS at 5-3. Head to head eliminator does not work, since all five teams have beaten each other.

Next tie breaker is division record. This means USCe is out.

Of the four teams left, it comes down to ranking. FSU hammers Florida and Georgia loses to Ga Tech and drop out of the rankings. We are ranked ahead of Missouri by virtue of beating them, and so we go!

LOL...the above is very unlikely, but it COULD happen.

Heck, I just wanna see five teams tied for the lead. :)
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doesn't work that way. the first tie breaker is the record versus all the tied teams. there is not part of the tie breaker rules that includes "rankings". Georgia wins with 3-1 record versus the other 4 teams. I included them in bold

here are the tie breaker rules, for your pleasure:

Tie-Breakers


In the event of a tie for the division championship, the following procedures will be used to break all ties to determine the SEC Football Championship Game representative. All Conference versus Conference Games (both division and non-division) will be counted in the Conference Standings.
A. TWO-TEAM TIE
1. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.
2. Records of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall record (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
4. Overall record vs. all common non-divisional opponents.
5. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
6. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
7. Vote of Athletics Directors whose institution is not involved in the tie.
B. THREE (OR MORE) TEAM TIE
(Once the tie has been reduced to two teams, go to the two-team tie-breaker format.)
1. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
2. Record of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
4. Overall record vs. non-division teams.
5. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
6. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
7. Vote of the Athletics Directors whose institution is not involved in the tie.
 
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LWSVOL said:
doesn't work that way. the first tie breaker is the record versus all the tied teams. there is not part of the tie breaker rules that includes "rankings".

here are the tie breakers, for your pleasure:

Tie-Breakers


In the event of a tie for the division championship, the following procedures will be used to break all ties to determine the SEC Football Championship Game representative. All Conference versus Conference Games (both division and non-division) will be counted in the Conference Standings.
A. TWO-TEAM TIE
1. Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams.
2. Records of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall record (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
4. Overall record vs. all common non-divisional opponents.
5. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
6. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
7. Vote of Athletics Directors whose institution is not involved in the tie.
B. THREE (OR MORE) TEAM TIE
(Once the tie has been reduced to two teams, go to the two-team tie-breaker format.)
1. Combined head-to-head record among the tied teams.
2. Record of the tied teams within the division.
3. Head-to-head competition vs. the team within the division with the best overall (divisional and non-divisional) Conference record and proceeding through the division. Multiple ties within the division will be broken from first to last.
4. Overall record vs. non-division teams.
5. Combined record vs. all common non-divisional teams.
6. Record vs. common non-divisional team with the best overall Conference (divisional and non-divisional) record and proceeding through other common non-divisional teams based on their order of finish within their division.
7. Vote of the Athletics Directors whose institution is not involved in the tie.
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I wondered about this, but was too lazy to look it up. Thanks...although another poster beat you to by a bit. :)

So what is relevant is no. 1....combined head to head record among all teams.

For TN, this would be 2-2
For SC, this would be 2-2
For UF, this would be 2-2
For Mizz, this would be 2-2
For Uga, this would be 2-2

Hm, that really doesn't change anything! SC still eliminated byt the third rule, East division record.

Four teams left. The next tie breaker would involve record against Vandy...Uga lost to them, so they are out. I am assuming everyone else beats them (UT and UF have yet to play them), but now we are down to three teams.

Back to head to head...UF lost to MIzz beat UT and UT beat Mizz...no help there.

Next rule Overall record vs. Non-Division teams...does this mean just SEC West? I don't think so, because it would just be the inverse of East record and so solve nothing. So .... UF has lost to Miami, and I am assuming they lose to FSU. Thus they are out with a worse overall record.

Down to Mizz and Tennessee.....back to head to head...WE WIN!

And no need for stinkin' polls either. :)
 
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BanditVol said:
Currently here are the SEC East standings...

Missouri 3-1
USC 4-2
Florida 3-2
Georgia 3-2
Tennessee 1-3
Vanderbilt 1-4
Kentucky 0-4

So here is what could happen....We win out. 5-3 with a division record of 4-2.

USC loses to Florida and beats MSU. 5-3 with a 3-3 division record.

Florida loses to Georgia, beats USC and Vandy. 5-3 with a 4-2 division record.

Georgia beats Florida and UK, but loses to Auburn. 5-3 with a 4-2 division record.

Missouri loses to Tennessee and Tamu, but beats Kentucky and Ole Miss. 5-3 with a 4-2 division record.

Now there are FIVE TEAMS at 5-3. Head to head eliminator does not work, since all five teams have beaten each other.

Next tie breaker is division record. This means USCe is out.

Of the four teams left, it comes down to ranking. FSU hammers Florida and Georgia loses to Ga Tech and drop out of the rankings. We are ranked ahead of Missouri by virtue of beating them, and so we go!

LOL...the above is very unlikely, but it COULD happen.

Heck, I just wanna see five teams tied for the lead. :)
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no, the next step if record versus the teams tied. so you would look at USCs record versus UF, UT, UGa, & missouri, and so on. im not going to do the math again, but i was looking at this awhile ago and a scenario CAN come about where this is a 2-2 tie for all the teams, so you could then go to division record and the rest of your post is correct to my knowledge. i dunno if your situation yields a 2-2 record for each team or not though
 
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ScreaminVolHawkins said:
no, the next step if record versus the teams tied. so you would look at USCs record versus UF, UT, UGa, & missouri, and so on. im not going to do the math again, but i was looking at this awhile ago and a scenario CAN come about where this is a 2-2 tie for all the teams, so you could then go to division record and the rest of your post is correct to my knowledge. i dunno if your situation yields a 2-2 record for each team or not though
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That's exactly what I did. Step 2 means, for example, Tennessee's record against Mizz, UF, uga and SC COMBINED, and it would be 2-2. And so forth. The result is that all the teams are 2-2 and you go to the next tie breaker.

Okay, I see you are looking at my earlier post. Keep scrolling down...we still get in. :)
 
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