Dropped Passes?

#51
#51
Crompton has NO physical problems. He is capable of making all the throws. His problems are mental and emotional. He frequently over over-thinks instead of just playing. Maybe that's why he made better throws late in the game... he didn't have time to think about it or worry about failing.

I don't know if he's fixable. However, if UT really is trying to get Stephens a medical RS and it is likely... then we need to just tough it out this year. It will be better for the program in the long run.
 
#52
#52
lanetrain05 said:
I counted 6 drops the other night and the majority of them were on key third downs. A lot of people have complained about play calling Saturday night but the plays were there we just didn't catch the ball. I'm not a crompton fan by no means but all he can do is hit the receivers in the hands they have to catch it. I don't think we can blame the auburn game solely on crompton at least he gives a s*** unlike brandon warren send him back to the criminoles.
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BW lost his mind because he's frustrated because he cares too much. If he didn't care, he'd look like Josh Briscoe did on the sidelines when we were getting slammed by Bama.
 
#53
#53
tennvols1965 said:
i think, if i counted right, there were 9 drops
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That is terrible! This is starting to show to be the problem and not Crompton. Maybe Hancock and Jones should be getting more heat and less on Crompton. But I guess that most uneducated fans don't care.
 
#55
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DC Vol said:
BW lost his mind because he's frustrated because he cares too much. If he didn't care, he'd look like Josh Briscoe did on the sidelines when we were getting slammed by Bama.
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Or maybe BW just isn't accustomed to playing in a disciplined program there's obviously none and fsu and was very little under CPF
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#56
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DC Vol said:
BW lost his mind because he's frustrated because he cares too much. If he didn't care, he'd look like Josh Briscoe did on the sidelines when we were getting slammed by Bama.
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Thank God someone here has some logic. BW is not THE problem. He is A problem at times though.
 
#57
#57
lanetrain05 said:
Or maybe BW just isn't accustomed to playing in a disciplined program there's obviously none and fsu and was very little under CPF
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Yeah, no doubt BW was 100% in the wrong... but it is definitely not for a lack of caring.
 
#58
#58
Vols N Shocks said:
Thank God someone here has some logic. BW is not THE problem. He is A problem at times though.
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I don't think we have any consistency with any of our upperclassmen at WR.

They have talent, sure, but what good is talent if you have a bad attitude or you have no consistency?
 
#59
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Vols N Shocks said:
Its obvious that Crompton is given one receiver to throw to on each play. Its very obvious if you watch his head on every throw. He never looks at another receiver. There is one instance where he has a wide open receiver on the left side of the field, he runs a curl route. He watches him the entire time, pretty obvious, and the Corner comes in and swats it away, because he sees Crompton is going to throw it to him. If he didn't stare him down, it would have been a completion, because the reciever was a good 7-8 yards off the defender.

My point here is that Crompton has 1 receiver, every play. If you watch that play, the O-line disengages and it appears they are setting up a screen. Hancock isn't even looking for the ball, because I presume the play was a screen and he knows he's not even going to get the ball. I think Crompton didn't have the right play in his head. On top of that, if he was supposed to get the ball, hitting him in the ear hole is throwing behind the receiver. You need to lead your receivers, which Crompton is horrible at. He had multiple balls thrown behind his receivers all game.
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I heard what the tv announcers said but didn't see it in the replay. JC saw a blitz and Hancock should have too. That would have made him the hot route... he should have already had his head around.

JC's inability to hit crossing routes early probably had more to do with the D getting tired and thus the loss than any other factor.

OTOH, you are wrong about the non-sense concerning one receiver and all that. I saw him check down several times. Some plays, like screens, only have one receiving option. Some pick plays only have one option depending on how you choose to pass block and hold defenders in position. But for the most part he was trying to make reads and check downs. He doesn't do a great job of it... at the same time, he doesn't have WR's that are exactly helping him out.

If indeed CLK is trying to save an extra year with NS through a medical RS that means JC is all UT has barring injury. So the options for improving the passing game all lie with the WR's. In that case, Moore needs to be a assigned a spot on the bench where he can't get in the way. How many balls have to hit that kid in the hands before someone realizes he can't catch? Maybe Scott reborn with less speed? I really had high hopes for him but he's played terribly.
 
#60
#60
Vols N Shocks said:
My point here is that Crompton has 1 receiver, every play. If you watch that play, the O-line disengages and it appears they are setting up a screen. Hancock isn't even looking for the ball, because I presume the play was a screen and he knows he's not even going to get the ball. I think Crompton didn't have the right play in his head. On top of that, if he was supposed to get the ball, hitting him in the ear hole is throwing behind the receiver. You need to lead your receivers, which Crompton is horrible at. He had multiple balls thrown behind his receivers all game.
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only 1 OL "disengaged" and JC had to get rid of it quickly. If he didn't everyone here would be yelling at him for taking the sack.
 
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DC Vol said:
Yeah, no doubt BW was 100% in the wrong... but it is definitely not for a lack of caring.
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No doubt he's frustrated. I met BW once he seemed like a really good guy so i was stunned by the incident. My point is he was wrong and it makes our program look bad IMO
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sjt18 said:
JC's inability to hit crossing routes early probably had more to do with the D getting tired and thus the loss than any other factor.
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That and the fact we were breaking in a new (but very promising) MLB hurt.

The 1st and 2nd Quarters are exactly what we didn't need from our offense.
 
#63
#63
sjt18 said:
I heard what the tv announcers said but didn't see it in the replay. JC saw a blitz and Hancock should have too. That would have made him the hot route... he should have already had his head around.

JC's inability to hit crossing routes early probably had more to do with the D getting tired and thus the loss than any other factor.

OTOH, you are wrong about the non-sense concerning one receiver and all that. I saw him check down several times. Some plays, like screens, only have one receiving option. Some pick plays only have one option depending on how you choose to pass block and hold defenders in position. But for the most part he was trying to make reads and check downs. He doesn't do a great job of it... at the same time, he doesn't have WR's that are exactly helping him out.

If indeed CLK is trying to save an extra year with NS through a medical RS that means JC is all UT has barring injury. So the options for improving the passing game all lie with the WR's. In that case, Moore needs to be a assigned a spot on the bench where he can't get in the way. How many balls have to hit that kid in the hands before someone realizes he can't catch? Maybe Scott reborn with less speed? I really had high hopes for him but he's played terribly.
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I agree with what you're saying. I think a big issue is cohesion. The WR's seem to have zero cohesion with Crompton. I think there is more to the story behind the scenes than anyone on this board knows. The dynamics just don't seem right between our receivers and crompton.

Another thing to point out, Hancock has a broken jaw still, its just wired I think. If we didn't have other injuries he would probably be benched, but we are so thin right now.
 
#64
#64
If the WR caught 6 of those nine drops, Crompton's numbers could have looked like this:

26-43 295 yard 2 TD's 0 INT's 0 Sacks

Not bad, I would take that every week from him.
 
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DC Vol said:
Yeah, no doubt BW was 100% in the wrong... but it is definitely not for a lack of caring.
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Caring about what though? The team or Brandon Warren? He has a rep as being a prima donna. It has been openly reported that he worked his way into the doghouse by not working hard.

Maybe he should care more in practice?
 
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Smitty9215 said:
If the WR caught 6 of those nine drops, Crompton's numbers could have looked like this:

26-43 295 yard 2 TD's 0 INT's 0 Sacks

Not bad, I would take that every week from him.
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I think you can make a case that JC's first drive of the 4th qtr was against Aub's best effort. However they were playing softer as the game went on. His numbers were inflated.

OTOH, CLK did send a message that you can't play soft coverage against him. When he has weapons, someone is going to suffer a tremendous comeback because they go Chavis with a 21 pt lead.
 
#68
#68
Crompton passing and Rednecks Dove hunting are wildly similar. And the thoughts that go through their mind...

The Redneck hunter...BIRD!! Wait that's not a dove. Oh, crap it is. BOOM. {Tail feathers}

JC...Ooh, open receiver!! Wait maybe not. Darn it, he's got orange on. BOOM {Tail feathers}
 
#69
#69
This is actually the best game Crompton has played against quality opponents. The O line passed blocked good, Crompton step up in the pocket and got rid of the ball. Crompton tucked the ball on occassion and ran for positive yards and actually didn't slide into second base. The fourth quarter, Crompton played was very good compared to past experience. Maybe Crompton and the coaches can build off the performance and the receivers will start catching the ball. The BW instance shows the coaches were fed up with the receivers not helping out.
Defense were worn out but the last two games were not good. They couldn't get off the field. You could tell they were confused for most of the game. 459 yards, over 200 yards on the ground is not good. I have read posts all morning about how great our defense played. Watch a replay and see how many missed tackles they had. Over 500 yards of passing to Ohio and Auburn, get real.
 
#70
#70
WinchesterVol said:
This is actually the best game Crompton has played against quality opponents. The O line passed blocked good, Crompton step up in the pocket and got rid of the ball. Crompton tucked the ball on occassion and ran for positive yards and actually didn't slide into second base. The fourth quarter, Crompton played was very good compared to past experience. Maybe Crompton and the coaches can build off the performance and the receivers will start catching the ball. The BW instance shows the coaches were fed up with the receivers not helping out.
Defense were worn out but the last two games were not good. They couldn't get off the field. You could tell they were confused for most of the game. 459 yards, over 200 yards on the ground is not good. I have read posts all morning about how great our defense played. Watch a replay and see how many missed tackles they had. Over 500 yards of passing to Ohio and Auburn, get real.
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Good read and fair. Missed or unfinished tackles was spot on. Game was quite close most of the way even at that. The D stayed on the field and got wore down just as much due to that as to the O. Look at UGA. Not finishing a tackle is what cost that game. Not the bad celebration call. They had Charles Scott stopped and didnt finish him off. Gotta finish.
 
#71
#71
I was at the game and the guy behind me was yelling we need a QB! So I will tell you the same thing I told him, if we had a QB who in the hell is going to catch the ball! Peyton Manning can't even throw the ball and catch it! Give Lane a break Fulmer left us with crap,so until he gets his recruits in here quit your whinning!
 
#73
#73
When it comes to the passing game, we have the total package for B-A-D. Crompton threw a couple of passes on slants/crossing routes that were so far behind the receivers they could barely get a hand on the ball when trying to turn back--including a big third-down pass late in the third quarter. When he is on target, the receivers drop the ball about 40 percent of the time. There there is the general miscommunication between our "field general" and the wideouts. I'm not sure who invented whiskey and reality tv, but i think they'd watched too much bad UT football in recent years. Man, let's be straight, we've been hideous for at least four years.
 
#74
#74
Points scored Points Against
2008 17.3 16.8
2009 29.4 17.3

We Are Better and I think we are improving. Last year if we ran the ball for 3 yards it was a milestone for the game, hell we couldn't get a 3rd and 1 last year.
Crompton has 900 yards in five games and 9TD, last year 889 yards in Eight games and 4 tds.
 
#75
#75
08 PASSING GP Effic Cmp-Att-Int Pct Yds TD Lng Avg/G
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J. Crompton 8 98.13 86-167-5 51.5 889 4 63 111.1
Nick Stephens 7 108.28 63-130-3 48.5 840 4 60 120.0
B.J. Coleman 3 47.05 4-8-1 50.0 21 0 7 7.0

2008 numbers for your review. The Coaches have seen what we saw last year. Stephens is no better than Crompton. At least Crompton has the ability to run. Stephens had minus 60 yards last year.
 
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