Drastic action needed on Ebola

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rocktopper16 said:
They couldn't keep it a secret.

CNN would run with a little rumor if it did indeed go airborne.
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If all you had to treat a very deadly virus was an experimental serum you wouldn't announce to the world that it had gone airborne.
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
OBAMA HAS RELEASED THE EBOLA ON US! HE TRYING TO KILL US ALL SO HE CAN BECOME KING! AAAAAHHHHHH! UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE MY ASS! HE PROBLY GAVE IT TO THEM MEXICANS HE LET CROSS THE BORDER!




Am I doing it right?
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No, too much capslock.

This is how you do it.

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And projected numbers at the current rate, I don't think this happens but found it interesting.
 

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coug said:
There's a sad truth to this statement.

You all should be more worried about how these doctors got it. They were following strict protocols disinfecting their suits and equipment and still got it. The CDC gave them the serum because they know what's going on where the rest of the world hasn't been told yet. It's already mutated and gone airborne. Everything that's happened up to this point is straight out of the movies.

The CDC even raised it's alert level to 1, it's highest rating. The last time they did this was in 2009 during the H1N1 pandemic.
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You're extremely perceptive my friend, unfortunately around here we will be labeled as conspiracy nuts ..
 
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coug said:
If all you had to treat a very deadly virus was an experimental serum you wouldn't announce to the world that it had gone airborne.
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People would figure it out. It's not airborne. If it were the death toll would be MUCH higher. Ebola is more difficult to get than you think. If it was so easy to contract then all of the healthcare workers would be dying or dead already. They are not. Relax.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
You're extremely perceptive my friend, unfortunately around here we will be labeled as conspiracy nuts ..
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You are not conspiracy nuts. You are just concerned people who are overreacting. If we were in Africa then there would be need to worry. The CDC has this under control.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You are not conspiracy nuts. You are just concerned people who are overreacting. If we were in Africa then there would be need to worry. The CDC has this under control.
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He makes a point about the doctors contracting ebola, they followed protocols and yet they still contracted Ebola,somethings not right..and I don't trust the CDC completely. Their an acronym for can't discover cause.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
He makes a point about the doctors contracting ebola, they followed protocols and yet they still contracted Ebola,somethings not right..and I don't trust the CDC completely. Their an acronym for can't discover cause.
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It's a very valid point. Maybe there are different strains. It is interesting that they raised it to a level 1 and are asking for major help from doctors all over.
 
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The freak out in this thread is strong. There is no earthly way possible for any national government or organization that could keep a secret as big as ebola becoming airborne a secret. The reason why it's out of control in Africa is because the people and doctors there are still ill-equipped to handle this it's not even funny. Not to mention if it were airborne it would be epidemics in Europe, the Middle-East, etc etc by now.
 
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davethevol said:
It's a very valid point. Maybe there are different strains. It is interesting that they raised it to a level 1 and are asking for major help from doctors all over.
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There are different strains of Ebola. The article I linked says medical personnel suspect it's the Zaire strain that's causing the outbreak. That strain is the deadliest with a 90% mortality rate.

Ebola Virus Inflicts Deadly Toll on African Health Workers - WSJ

Their infections showed how medical staff at the very heart of West Africa's fight against Ebola—many of them poorly equipped, low paid and insufficiently prepared—are becoming some of its most immediate victims. In Liberia, 15% of those who have died from the virus were doctors or nurses who contracted it at work, government records show. In Sierra Leone, where the disease has killed at least 572 people, 50 of those were hospital workers, government data there show.
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As health workers die, their surviving colleagues have taken on even longer shifts, working in deteriorating conditions without overtime or hazard pay, said Michael Stulman, information officer for Catholic Relief Services.

Even with protective gear and precautionary measures, the stress of coping with so many gravely ill Ebola patients opens room for mistakes that allow the virus to spread, he added. "The doctors and nurses who are working on the front lines are working in a particularly high-risk environment. It's possible for someone to slip up and become infected. That's been a major challenge."

Those stresses are spelled out clearly in the Sierra Leonean district of Kenema, where a small number of hospital staff have been swamped with 228 Ebola cases in the past three months, government records show. In July, nurses briefly struck after 14 of their colleagues contracted Ebola, 10 of them dying from the virus.

The district has run out of body bags, the government records note, adding: "Sierra Leonean Nurses, MDs and support staff desperately needed."
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You don't think doctors in these type conditions, even Western doctors, could not make mistakes and accidentally expose themselves to the virus?
 
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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Uh.

Evolve: changing to adapt to ones environment

Mutate: changing to adapt to ones environment.

Seems like the same thing to me, but I'm not a scientist.
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One might say all evolutions could be considered mutations but not all mutations could be considered evolutions..... In a biological sense.
 
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Also more evidence as to why the outbreak is spreading at the rate it is;

Dr Tabeh Freeman at Liberia's Bong Mines Hospital told the BBC:

There has been carelessness on the president's part: she declared a state of emergency very late. It is very scary; some of my colleagues have died.

We have not had a confirmed case at my facility, but about 24km away, a patient tested positive. Twelve nurses have been coming down with symptoms and have been quarantined.

When there is a suspected case, protocol demands that the Ebola surveillance team should be contacted so blood samples can be collected. That is not happening.

Because of the high number of cases and very limited resources, the hospital's own laboratory technicians are asked to draw samples, which is very risky. As a result, some of them have been infected. When the specimen finally reaches the testing centre, it takes two to three days before the results come back.

That is too long, especially when the patient is still in the community. The longer the results take to come back, the faster the patient spreads the virus.
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So it's not spreading quickly because it's airborne, it's spreading because of lack of resources, proper training, and education among both the medical staffs and the general population.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Your faith in government agencies these days is sadly misplaced.
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You actually think Ebola is going to do here what it ha done in Africa? Sheesh. Normally I don't have a lot of faith in government agencies but the CDC has earned respect. But believe whatever you like.
 
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Burhead said:
The freak out in this thread is strong. There is no earthly way possible for any national government or organization that could keep a secret as big as ebola becoming airborne a secret. The reason why it's out of control in Africa is because the people and doctors there are still ill-equipped to handle this it's not even funny. Not to mention if it were airborne it would be epidemics in Europe, the Middle-East, etc etc by now.
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Exactly. People are saying oh they followed strict protocols and they still got it. They are using make shift isolation units. These healthcare workers were not in the US. They still don't have what they need to fight the disease effectively.

Right again on the airborne thing. The death toll would be much higher if the disease was airborne. Why people are freaking out about this is something I cannot understand.
 
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davethevol said:
It's a very valid point. Maybe there are different strains. It is interesting that they raised it to a level 1 and are asking for major help from doctors all over.
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Also, think about it. If the virus went airborne the CDC wouldn't necessarily know about it right away. The virus would spread to where they hadn't seen it before. They'd only learn it's gone airborne when they find out a person contracted who has never been exposed to bodily fluids of someone that had it.
 
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coug said:
Also, think about it. If the virus went airborne the CDC wouldn't necessarily know about it right away. The virus would spread to where they hadn't seen it before. They'd only learn it's gone airborne when they find out a person contracted who has never been exposed to bodily fluids of someone that had it.
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Just curious but why do you think it is airborne?
 
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Hearing Ebola Outbreak Africa | Video | C-SPAN.org

Former director of FDA stated "The CDC currently reports 1711 cases, 932 deaths. We believe this to be 25-50% of the [reality.]"

Also just stated that Sawyer and another person went to an isolation facility where a man was in quarantine and laughed about it and said there was no worry, refused gloves and tried to get in. 4 days before his death.

Said that "Not one millimeter of your skin can be exposed or you will get sick and die, that's kind of the reality."

Saudi person traveled from Sierra Leone then died of confirmed hemorraghic fever.

He's saying that established, educated medical officials and scientists who are currently denying the disease need a greater understanding, and that it is about to tear through Nigeria in the next 3 weeks and they are already preparing a hospital 263 miles away.


This is scary, no matter which way you slice it. Folks are dying.

Fast forward to the one hour forty give min mark. 1:45
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Exactly. People are saying oh they followed strict protocols and they still got it. They are using make shift isolation units. These healthcare workers were not in the US. They still don't have what they need to fight the disease effectively.

Right again on the airborne thing. The death toll would be much higher if the disease was airborne. Why people are freaking out about this is something I cannot understand.
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I was reading an article a couple of days ago on Reuters I believe, that Liberia only had 40-50 doctors for the entire 4,000,000+ population in the country prior to the start of the outbreak. No wonder we couldn't contain it.
 
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Burhead said:
I was reading an article a couple of days ago on Reuters I believe, that Liberia only had 40-50 doctors for the entire 4,000,000+ population in the country prior to the start of the outbreak. No wonder we couldn't contain it.
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The reason it is spreading so badly over there is because of some people acting crazy. There are people over there who are putting dead bodies in the street instead of burying. The strange thing is for all that has happened, the disease is fairly localized. Blows a huge hole in the Ebola is airborne theory.

Yes there are not nearly enough physicians to help over there. What I don't get is why people are totally freaking out about things happening here in the US.
 
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