Drae Bowles

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#352
RobsPics said:
If a male is too drunk to consent to sex, and a female or another male has sex with that drunk male, then the drunk male has also been raped.

If both parties are too drunk to consent to sex, then they have both raped each other. In such a case, I doubt either party will want to press charges, given that both parties are victims and perps.
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This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read..do not get me wrong, I am not calling you dumb personally. I am saying your understanding of what is rape is dumb.

If you get a woman so drunk that she passes out, then you have sex with her
..that is rape, you forced yourself on someone who was not in a position to make a choice on the matter.

Just because someone drinks, it does not mean they are not responsible for their own decisions..I.E. going to bed with another person

We do not let drunk people off when they decide to get in a car after drinking and end up killing someone on the roadways..because they made the decision to drive.

So how can you be responsible for deciding to drive, but not to have sex. It makes no sense whatsoever. You can not have it both ways.
 
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Still wanting to hear opinions about a reverse argument. What if both parties are drunk and the female initiates the contact? What if he says no, but can't control his arousal, and she mounts him anyway? Has she raped him?
 
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ImportedVoL said:
This has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read..do not get me wrong, I am not calling you dumb personally. I am saying your understanding of what is rape is dumb.

If you get a woman so drunk that she passes out, then you have sex with her
..that is rape, you forced yourself on someone who was not in a position to make a choice on the matter.

Just because someone drinks, it does not mean they are not responsible for their own decisions..I.E. going to bed with another person
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I never claimed otherwise.

ImportedVoL said:
We do not let drunk people off when they decide to get in a car after drinking and end up killing someone on the roadways..because they made the decision to drive.
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I never claimed otherwise.

ImportedVoL said:
So how can you be responsible for deciding to drive, but not to have sex. It makes no sense whatsoever. You can not have it both ways.
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I never said drunk people are not responsible for having sex. I said if a person is too drunk to give consent to sex, then having sex that drunk person is rape.
 
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Weezer said:
Still wanting to hear opinions about a reverse argument. What if both parties are drunk and the female initiates the contact? What if he says no, but can't control his arousal, and she mounts him anyway? Has she raped him?
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Yes that should be considered rape, and criminal statutes should be updated to include that in the definition of rape.
 
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Bobby Knight (famous IU basketball coach) quote:

"If rape is inevitable; lay back and enjoy it"

And they put him in the Hall of Fame!
 
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RobsPics said:
Yes that should be considered rape, and criminal statutes should be updated to include that in the definition of rape.
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If the green font is intended to give headaches, congrats. And there should be a updated criminal statute for it.
 
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What if she consented before she became too drunk - is it still rape?

To me, Rape is when the woman is attacked and forcibly penetrated. They ought to come up with a new name for whatever this she said / he said / too drunk thing as it's an insult to women who were raped.
 
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walkenvol said:
What if she consented before she became too drunk - is it still rape?

To me, Rape is when the woman is attacked and forcibly penetrated. They ought to come up with a new name for whatever this she said / he said / too drunk thing as it's an insult to women who were raped.
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Well the held down thing is what they refer to as aggravated rape. But I agree, the I had a few beers or shots and would not have agreed to sex otherwise thing should be a sexual misconduct. Men and women should know better then to engage in sex in those situations. But for it to be the same as someone who attacks a women, ripping off clothes and forcing themselves on her is a perversion of justice. And furthermore does insult what that woman went through.

Men who rape women in that violent way need to be put to death IMO..because they are essentially taking the life that women knows and destroying it forever.
 
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doctorchoice said:
It might be good for the university if Drae Bowles explained, once again, that he was not beaten up. We also might want the Lady Vols to be allowed to discuss "rape culture" to the media. The university is probably telling people not to say anything to avoid feeding the story. But with the rehash of the Peyton Manning trainer incident, there is going to be lots of attention on this lawsuit anyway.
The Mack Crowder story would have gone away quicker if he had been allowed to say it didn't happen. I believe they told his family not to talk about it.
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Mack wasn't going to lie and chose to instead put the focus back on the team.
 
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walkenvol said:
What if she consented before she became too drunk - is it still rape?

To me, Rape is when the woman is attacked and forcibly penetrated. They ought to come up with a new name for whatever this she said / he said / too drunk thing as it's an insult to women who were raped.
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If at any point she says no, it's rape. Pull up your pants and leave.

If she is unconscious, it is rape. I don't care if she talked about it beforehand or not, if she's not conscious, it's rape.

I do not believe simply being drunk equates to rape. Often times, both parties are drunk, which can lead to actions you both later regret. But if both parties are conscious, I think equal responsibility should be held unless one of the top two scenarios occur.

It is never okay to rape a woman, ever. However, women need to consider the situations they put themselves in when they drink to excess. Drinking is a choice that is made. Generally, no one forces you into it. Some may want to argue peer pressure, but peer pressure can be resisted. Too often, men and women are handed platters of excuses to use, but we live in a real world where actions have consequences. Take responsibility for your own actions. Think things through before you jump in with both feet. The best way to avoid becoming a victim is to act responsibly.
 
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RobsPics said:
Yes that should be considered rape, and criminal statutes should be updated to include that in the definition of rape.
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You're a law changer now. Everyone welcome congressman green font. If I could go doc brown for a minute and change one thing, I'd have Peyton lay testicles on your face.
 
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smokey0625 said:
You're a law changer now. Everyone welcome congressman green font. If I could go doc brown for a minute and change one thing, I'd have Peyton lay testicles on your face.
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Rape is a form of sexual misconduct. Thanks to Title IX, UT is in the business of enforcing the law.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
Rape is a form of sexual misconduct. Thanks to Title IX, UT is in the business of enforcing the law.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. I am just making fun of how people view this a big deal. I assume that the university gets that rape is bad and I am sure they follow the law to make sure women aren't raped. I assume this for every university besides fsu.

I could care less what the laws are, I simply know that the university prolly knows and I'm sure they comply with whatever they are supposed to do. This is a money grab at best and lawyers are always the winners.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I have no idea what you're talking about. I am just making fun of how people view this a big deal. I assume that the university gets that rape is bad and I am sure they follow the law to make sure women aren't raped. I assume this for every university besides fsu.

I could care less what the laws are, I simply know that the university prolly knows and I'm sure they comply with whatever they are supposed to do. This is a money grab at best and lawyers are always the winners.
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It could be considered a big deal since Title IX says TN state law is creating a culture of rape at UT.

The law suit is saying that the State of TN takes these accusations too serious by allowing an accused to have a lawyer.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
It could be considered a big deal since Title IX says TN state law is creating a culture of rape at UT.

The law suit is saying that the State of TN takes these accusations too serious by allowing an accused to have a lawyer.
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I understand I should care. I choose not to because I view it as stupid. I am ending this because I don't care. Its a money grab those attorneys are loving it. Im suing America because they let us have guns and people get shot.
 
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smokey0625 said:
I understand I should care. I choose not to because I view it as stupid. I am ending this because I don't care. Its a money grab those attorneys are loving it. Im suing America because they let us have guns and people get shot.
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It's not the guns you should sue over, it's the bullets. Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

I will represent you, I'm pro bullets, so don't get mad when you lose.
 
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