Drae Bowles

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#251
This rape stuff is getting ugly; especially if Bowles was attacked by UT football players for trying to help a rape victim.

This is going to be in the news for a long time.
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
This rape stuff is getting ugly; especially if Bowles was attacked by UT football players for trying to help a rape victim.

This is going to be in the news for a long time.
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Or until we forget about it. We are Americans, home of the short memory. Its an allegation that no one who knows the media is giving validity too. Coach joJones is one of the most respected coaches. Finebaum said he might see a title ix story but he would be highly surprised if the football team was held accountable for any wrong doing.
 
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gobraves101035 said:
My friend was literally at the party and said the girl was all up on him all night. I think all of this is some messed up bull crap.
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I wouldn't be shocked if true, but we can't obviously dictate that as the truth but nonetheless a lot doesn't add up and that is not being UT biased.

I had 2 best friends in my college days both from different schools. They came for a party to my school- one male and one female and hooked up that night.

The next day I was with my male friend and he told me all about the occasion, no big deal, right? Well my other friend, the female, claimed to others she was raped.

Once I heard that I was furious bc I knew my best guy friend would never do that especially to someone i cared about. Turns out she was just ashamed and embarrassed about the affects alcohol had on her and how everyone knew she had a one night stand (which was out of character for her).

With the allegations of her flirting with AJ and texting him draws me to ponder if she felt the same things my friend did to claim she was "raped". If AJ did it then good riddance, but absolutely nothing has been proven and that is what's sad.
 
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So once again, we return to blaming a potwntial victim. That's just disgusting. Who gives a flying frog about texts? That doesn't matter one damn bit. Nor does gow much she drank. Or what she wore. Or where she was. If she said NO then it is RAPE evwn if she pulled a Lady Godiva in the middle of the strip.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
So once again, we return to blaming a potwntial victim. That's just disgusting. Who gives a flying frog about texts? That doesn't matter one damn bit. Nor does gow much she drank. Or what she wore. Or where she was. If she said NO then it is RAPE evwn if she pulled a Lady Godiva in the middle of the strip.
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You've obviously been drinking more than me, which makes me jealous.

Who gives a flip about texts you say? Well if the texts exchanged were sexual then wouldn't that contradict her saying, "no" ?

Before you come at me with ignorance, read the whole post as I clearly stated if AJ is guilty he deserves punishment. STFU.

When a teacher is involved in a relationship with a student doesn't the school administration check for proof via email and text? Exactly. Again, STFU.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
So once again, we return to blaming a potwntial victim. That's just disgusting. Who gives a flying frog about texts? That doesn't matter one damn bit. Nor does gow much she drank. Or what she wore. Or where she was. If she said NO then it is RAPE evwn if she pulled a Lady Godiva in the middle of the strip.
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And once again you fail to realize you might be blaming a potential victim. What if she did consent to sex with AJ? What if she's claiming he raped her out of embarrassment, or maliciousness? I agree, no means no, but you are failing to acknowledge that some women say yes then change their story later. If he's guilty, he should face justice, but if he's found not guilty, I highly doubt anything ever happens to the woman who ruined his life. There is the potential that AJ is a victim here. Why are you so blind to see that?
 
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Weezer said:
And once again you fail to realize you might be blaming a potential victim. What if she did consent to sex with AJ? What if she's claiming he raped her out of embarrassment, or maliciousness? I agree, no means no, but you are failing to acknowledge that some women say yes then change their story later. If he's guilty, he should face justice, but if he's found not guilty, I highly doubt anything ever happens to the woman who ruined his life. There is the potential that AJ is a victim here. Why are you so blind to see that?
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Thank you. If AJ is guilty then so be it, but you always have to look at both sides.
 
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It isn't blaming anyone to question stories that have no corroborating evidence. Just because someone alleges something happened doesn't mean it did. People can, and do, say all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons. Allegations aren't facts.
 
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Honestly, I think some women fail to understand most men value their reputation. At this point, it doesn't matter if AJ is found innocent. His reputation has been shot. He's been drug over the coals and left to rot, all before a fair trial could be held. Men have killed themselves for being treated in such fashion. If he's guilty, fine, let him pay. I have no sympathy for rapists. But right now all we have are unproven allegations. Rape is a horrible, heinous crime that can destroy a person's psyche, but so is being falsely accused of rape. That's why I've maintained anonymity for both sides is the fair course of action. It's too late in this instance, but changes should be made in the process, imo.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
So once again, we return to blaming a potwntial victim. That's just disgusting. Who gives a flying frog about texts? That doesn't matter one damn bit. Nor does gow much she drank. Or what she wore. Or where she was. If she said NO then it is RAPE evwn if she pulled a Lady Godiva in the middle of the strip.
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Go on somewhere. Maybe the ole miss forum will fit you well.
 
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LA Vol said:
It isn't blaming anyone to question stories that have no corroborating evidence. Just because someone alleges something happened doesn't mean it did. People can, and do, say all sorts of things, for all sorts of reasons. Allegations aren't facts.
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Bravo!
 
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mscelinaVol said:
So once again, we return to blaming a potwntial victim. That's just disgusting. Who gives a flying frog about texts? That doesn't matter one damn bit. Nor does gow much she drank. Or what she wore. Or where she was. If she said NO then it is RAPE evwn if she pulled a Lady Godiva in the middle of the strip.
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I am not condoning rape in ANY way... but to teach women that they have zero accountability in these situations only puts future women in danger. Making them think they should be able to act or dress, or get as drunk as they want with no fear of what can happen to them. Is only going to perpetuate the problem, because it will keep happening over and over and over.

The men need to be taught to accept no AND not engage with women who would put themselves in these situations, because they are crazy to act the way they are..

And the women need to be taught to protect themselves by not putting themselves in situations like these to begin with.

There is no excuse for rape...BUT...you also do not cover yourself in blood and then jump into a pool of hungry sharks and expect not to get eaten.

Ladies protect yourselves, because men are animals.
 
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When I was a freshmen in high school, there was a senior who was the most popular guy in school. Kind of a Zack Morris. Anyway, he hooked up with a girl at a party and she later accused him of rape. Charges were brought, and up until the trial it was like he had the plague. He went from most popular to least popular overnight due to the allegations. Eventually he got his day in court and the and he was found not guilty. Apparently a few people accidentally walked into the room when the sexual encounter occurred and witnessed the girl straddling him. But the guy's reputation was absolutely destroyed.

I have no idea if AJ and Michael raped the girl, but from my experiences in life, I believe them innocent unless they are proven guilty in court.
 
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Facts about this mess:
1) prosecution attorneys in the AJ case are fighting like hell to keep the "victims" texts and social media out of evidence.
2) AJ showed other teammates texts from her where she described her intent days and weeks before anything happened.
3) the "victim" was more than a "friend" with Bowles
4) Bowles knew nothing of her advances toward AJ at the time he supported her going to police.
5) still very unclear where Williams fits into this debacle

Please people before you take a stand on any if this at least consider the facts as per the police report. This is what is going to be submitted in court
 
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Who gives a flip about texts you say? Well if the texts exchanged were sexual then wouldn't that contradict her saying, "no" ?
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In no way does it prove what happened layer that night. No can be said at any time regardless of texts sent hours prior
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There is no excuse for rape...BUT...
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How can you possibly add a "but" to that statement? Amazing
 
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utvolpj said:
In no way does it prove what happened layer that night. No can be said at any time regardless of texts sent hours prior
How can you possibly add a "but" to that statement? Amazing
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I didn't say it but I will answer.

A: Because I have a daughter!

So many here are trying to belittle people for giving advice. Advice that may help protect someone.

I will also tell my daughter to park under streetlights and not at the dark end of a parking lot .
Guess what, that doesn't mean I support muggers or blame mugging victims. It means we don't actually live in this sanctimonious fantasy world, instead we live in the real world where bad people do bad things.

I pray my daughter takes my advice and does as much as possible to protect herself. And that she doesn't pay as much attention to people who just preach how things ought to be.

So yes -" there is no excuse for rape BUT" - Please ladies,(and gentlemen for that matter) make as many safe choices as possible. The real world has real dangers
and they are not always fair.
 
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omghulkhands said:
Complete conjecture.
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The only part of this whole debate that is not complete conjecture is that a Title IX lawsuit was files against some players, current and not current, Lil Jon and the University.

Other than that there is nothing in this thread except conjecture or opinion.
 
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Tuckervol1003 said:
The only part of this whole debate that is not complete conjecture is that a Title IX lawsuit was files against some players, current and not current, Lil Jon and the University.

Other than that there is nothing in this thread except conjecture or opinion.
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The Title IX lawsuit isn't against any players or Lil John. It's against the University.
 
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wmcovol said:
Facts about this mess:
1) prosecution attorneys in the AJ case are fighting like hell to keep the "victims" texts and social media out of evidence.
2) AJ showed other teammates texts from her where she described her intent days and weeks before anything happened.
3) the "victim" was more than a "friend" with Bowles
4) Bowles knew nothing of her advances toward AJ at the time he supported her going to police.
5) still very unclear where Williams fits into this debacle

Please people before you take a stand on any if this at least consider the facts as per the police report. This is what is going to be submitted in court
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I have read the newspaper stories on this case and I am aware of the legal maneuvers to keep all social media evidence out of the trial.

Is the rest of what you list actual fact or is it rumor from a second or third part person who supposedly knows this is fact? Obviously, I would not expect any of this information to be printed in a newspaper. But, I am unaware of either AJ, Williams or anyone else involved in the case stating this as fact.
 
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mscelinaVol said:
So once again, we return to blaming a potwntial victim. That's just disgusting. Who gives a flying frog about texts? That doesn't matter one damn bit. Nor does gow much she drank. Or what she wore. Or where she was. If she said NO then it is RAPE evwn if she pulled a Lady Godiva in the middle of the strip.
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I would never blame a victim. But it's not even really fair to call her a potential victim at this point, as she is the accuser. Texts before and after the incident matter if they detail her intentions and actions and feelings. There is no reason to hide them. Especially if they would exonerate the accused. Secondly, how much she drank matters if it affected her memory of the event in any way. If she doesn't know what happened or exactly how it happened, then it absolutely matters! Where she was matters too. If there are witnesses who saw her go in his room willingly AND leave his room in a carefree, happy fashion. Then that would matter too. Because what happened behind those doors will never be known. So everything that happened just before and just after could be the difference in justice - for the accuser or the accused.
 
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Were UT Lawyers made available to assist & represent any female athletes who might have legal and/or criminal issues?
 
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wmcovol said:
Facts about this mess:
1) prosecution attorneys in the AJ case are fighting like hell to keep the "victims" texts and social media out of evidence.
2) AJ showed other teammates texts from her where she described her intent days and weeks before anything happened.
3) the "victim" was more than a "friend" with Bowles
4) Bowles knew nothing of her advances toward AJ at the time he supported her going to police.
5) still very unclear where Williams fits into this debacle

Please people before you take a stand on any if this at least consider the facts as per the police report. This is what is going to be submitted in court
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People should really study this post. Spot on. Maybe a little over the top on #4, but still spot on. He knew there had been a history. And had Williams not inserted himself in to the situation, no one would have ever known it happened. Including Drae.
 
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There is no excuse for rape , AND: this is a better way of giving advice, rather than BUT.

There is a culture on volnation that takes a serious subject and butchers it with ignorance.

I don't mind the poor attempt at humor on lighter subject matter, BUT to crack jokes about rape is out of line.

So if your just making ignorant statements due to being ignorant, gain some knowledge.
 
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