Doug Matthews Roasting the AD hiring process

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jakez4ut said:
Not in today's day and age where you have so much media/social media out there dictating narratives.
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How many times has Davenport already referred back to what she has already said, as if to say, stop thinking about what you're gonna ask and listen?

She is a fast talker. So is Currie.

I like fast talkers.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
How many times has Davenport already referred back to what she has already said, as if to say, stop thinking about what you're gonna ask and listen?

She is a fast talker. So is Currie.

I like fast talkers.
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Don't know. And I still can't find anything in her words before he was hired making that statement. I'd be happy to listen or read it if it's out there though.

So she's in the unenviable position of having to backtrack.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
There's no way in hell that sitting P5 AD was a prerequisite because they had no way to know that they'd be able to find such a person outside of a perhaps some real bottom feeder P5 schools, unless it was all set up for Currie from the jump and the powers that be decided it would be good for a chuckle to take the fanbase, Fulmer and Blackburn on a little goose chase. Not buying it.
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Not so. The AD at North Carolina wanted the job and it would have been offered of Currie had turned it down.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Don't know. And I still can't find anything in her words before he was hired making that statement. I'd be happy to listen or read it if it's out there though.

So she's in the unenviable position of having to backtrack.
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Didn’t Jimmy Hyams report that a couple of weeks before Davenport reported for duty? I heard it more than one on 99.1 FM in February.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Didn’t Jimmy Hyams report that a couple of weeks before Davenport reported for duty? I heard it more than one on 99.1 FM in February.
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Don't know I live in Charlotte so I don't listen.

All I'm saying is if this was such dramatic, overwhelming theme, then every single time fulmer and/or Blackburn was brought up, why wasn't the inevitable, immediate response "not gonna be either on b/c she said it has to be a sitting P5 AD"? Squashed. Every time it's brought up.

It just doesn't make sense.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Don't know I live in Charlotte so I don't listen.

All I'm saying is if this was such dramatic, overwhelming theme, then every single time fulmer and/or Blackburn was brought up, why wasn't the inevitable, immediate response "not gonna be either on b/c she said it has to be a sitting P5 AD"? Squashed. Every time it's brought up.

It just doesn't make sense.
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It was posted on Volnation. I always assumed that it was Davenport that said it, considering she was the one doing the hiring.
 
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jakez4ut said:
And you think that hire would have been better perception wise? Coming from UNC with their issues?
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You really have not paid attention. He was hired AFTER the crap hit the wall and has cleaned it up. Explains how everyone else knew about the sitting AD preference but you as well.
 
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The only mentions I heard of P5 AD was the pro Fulmer crowd trying to chip away at the experience gap between him and Blackurn. The search firm knew the criteria. The search firm flew Fulmer and Blackburn to NY for interviews. Some of you are being intentionally obtuse.

It's like Paul Finebaum said on his show yesterday, Davenport decided not to look backwards (or maybe was influenced by a certain booster not to look backwards) . Nothing wrong with that but it opens the door to questions about integrity and motivation when she starts back filling and fast talking on her first major decision.
 
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JacketVol said:
You really have not paid attention. He was hired AFTER the crap hit the wall and has cleaned it up. Explains how everyone else knew about the sitting AD preference but you as well.
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i guess you missed the part where i said "perception", huh?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The only mentions I heard of P5 AD was the pro Fulmer crowd trying to chip away at the experience gap between him and Blackurn. The search firm knew the criteria. The search firm flew Fulmer and Blackburn to NY for interviews. Some of you are being intentionally obtuse.

It's like Paul Finebaum said on his show yesterday, Davenport decided not to look backwards (or maybe was influenced by a certain booster not to look backwards) . Nothing wrong with that but it opens the door to questions about integrity and motivation when she starts back filling and fast talking on her first major decision.
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exactly. that she may have said it, in some way or context, at some point between December and the date he was hired, but it wasn't this declaration that was the driving force behind the hire, guiding HER decision (which we all know, it probably wasn't).
 
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jakez4ut said:
if that baseline were true, paragraph 2, why the need for paragraph 1? you think it's placating the fans to do ceremony interviews? only to hire someone else completely out of left field? how's that plan worked out with the placation of the fan base? you think they really care about that? i don't.

no, i think she got the message, haslam made the call--definitely no Fulmer, and if Blackburn is going to bring in Fulmer, then no Blackburn either--and afterward, it's time to justify "the process".

KB, i know you're listening to those guys, and they're saying what they're saying, so i'm not doubting the information you're talking about. i'm not really even questioning if she said it in some context to one or any of those individuals.

but it's just not out there, anywhere, that i've seen or read that she's ever discussed that as part of the AD search that he/she "had to be a sitting P5 AD". and there were many opportunities for her to state that, if it was such a high priority on her list of qualifications.

Also considering where the whole fulmer/blackburn thing had gotten publicly, why would you want that to continue on, if you have the ability to quell it, that easily? shout it from the mountain tops. announce who's in charge, who's making the decision...not the fans, not the booster... ME, and this is my criteria for that job.
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So even though she referenced the fact that she said it, acknowledging that she had told people that and been steadfast about it from the beginning, and it was reported by both Hubbs and Hyams, you're still not buying it because google doesn't turn up an article on it? Don't know what to say Jake, other than we're just at an impasse here, no need to discuss it any further.

As far as why they let the Fulmer/Blackburn fiasco go on and not quell it, I think there's a fairly simple answer. They had to make it appear that both were being given fair consideration given the public/fan support/outcry that one of the two be given the job. And to be quite honest, I don't think they wouldve have quelled anything had they come out and said neither would be considered.....to the contrary, I think the uproar would've been huge. So, despite laying out the minimum qualifications early in the process, they calculated that it was better to let people believe PF and DB were being given a fair shake to be the next AD, until suddenly the new AD, a guy that could be seen as a good alternative to those two, was named and in place.
 
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KBVol said:
So even though she referenced the fact that she said it, acknowledging that she had told people that and been steadfast about it from the beginning, and it was reported by both Hubbs and Hyams, you're still not buying it because google doesn't turn up an article on it? Don't know what to say Jake, other than we're just at an impasse here, no need to discuss it any further.

As far as why they let the Fulmer/Blackburn fiasco go on and not quell it, I think there's a fairly simple answer. They had to make it appear that both were being given fair consideration given the public/fan support/outcry that one of the two be given the job. And to be quite honest, I don't think they wouldve have quelled anything had they come out and said neither would be considered.....to the contrary, I think the uproar would've been huge. So, despite laying out the minimum qualifications early in the process, they calculated that it was better to let people believe PF and DB were being given a fair shake to be the next AD, until suddenly the new AD, a guy that could be seen as a good alternative to those two, was named and in place.
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KB, what good comes of stringing Fulmer and Blackburn on, the obvious fan favorites, only to hire someone completely different. when, as has been "referenced", the qualifier was sitting P5 AD?

just answer that. there's no need for anything in paragraph 2, if that qualifier was so important. moreover, why allow the possibility that it could be perceived that you weren't the one making the decision, if that qualifier was so important to you? cause remember, even when it was the fulmer/blackburn debate, the soreness from media and fans alike, had turned heavily toward the whole process....so again, why allow that to continue?

"referencing" as you've put it, at this point, is more like backstroking. and keep in mind, i'm not even doubting she said it in some way shape or form.

but there's absolutely nothing out there that says this was some prevailing qualifier that would guide hers, the committee's or the search firm's decision making processes, until after he was hired.
 
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jakez4ut said:
KB, what good comes of stringing Fulmer and Blackburn on, the obvious fan favorites, only to hire someone completely different. when, as has been "referenced", the qualifier was sitting P5 AD?

just answer that. there's no need for anything in paragraph 2, if that qualifier was so important. moreover, why allow the possibility that it could be perceived that you weren't the one making the decision, if that qualifier was so important to you? cause remember, even when it was the fulmer/blackburn debate, the soreness from media and fans alike, had turned heavily toward the whole process....so again, why allow that to continue?

"referencing" as you've put it, at this point, is more like backstroking. and keep in mind, i'm not even doubting she said it in some way shape or form.

but there's absolutely nothing out there that says this was some prevailing qualifier that would guide hers, the committee's or the search firm's decision making processes, until after he was hired.
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Is it possible she wanted it to seem like it was her decision, and not Haslam?
 
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butchna said:
It's POSSIBLE the Russians were involved. :scare:
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I laughed at you mocking me, but I think damn near anything is possible.

I don't really care anymore, but I'm still a little interested. I've know that Haslam had a great deal of influence, but until this hire, I didn't realize how much.
 
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Behr said:
I laughed at you mocking me, but I think damn near anything is possible.

I don't really care anymore, but I'm still a little interested. I've know that Haslam had a great deal of influence, but until this hire, I didn't realize how much.
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It makes me wonder how much money/influence he has been donating/imposing to/on UT.
 
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Behr said:
I laughed at you mocking me, but I think damn near anything is possible.

I don't really care anymore, but I'm still a little interested. I've know that Haslam had a great deal of influence, but until this hire, I didn't realize how much.
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Yes. Same here. The line that I'd been hearing for several years was that the Big Man had removed himself from this sort of thing. Mr. H has better PR people than the Vols AD, that's for sure.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Yes. Same here. The line that I'd been hearing for several years was that the Big Man had removed himself from this sort of thing. Mr. H has better PR people than the Vols AD, that's for sure.
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ding, ding, ding...tell him what he's won!!!
 
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Behr said:
Is it possible she wanted it to seem like it was her decision, and not Haslam?
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how does she accomplish that by letting that narrative continue, if the sitting P5 AD was her main qualifier? if she wanted to take control of the situation, and take back control the narrative, the easiest thing would have been to make sure it was loud and clear what she was looking for in the next AD. day 1. not as they announced Currie.
 
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jakez4ut said:
how does she accomplish that by letting that narrative continue, if the sitting P5 AD was her main qualifier? if she wanted to take control of the situation, and take back control the narrative, the easiest thing would have been to make sure it was loud and clear what she was looking for in the next AD. day 1. not as they announced Currie.
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I don't know man, haha. I don't recall the timeline details now. I don't even know what was true.

I remember it being said that she had a letter on her desk, from Haslam, telling her Currie was to be hired. Soon after that, IIRC, it was said that she wanted a sitting P5 AD.
 
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