Doug Matthews Roasting the AD hiring process

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VolsFan-TX said:
I really do not understand the "dirty" part of this. There was a job opening with several names being evaluated. One person got the job and others did not. I have hired over a hundred people in my career and never wanted to be down to only one option at the end. I always go into the negotiation with a primary target and at least one secondary target. If things do not work with the primary target, then I go with the secondary one. I assume Fulmer and Blackburn were backup plans, so why would you remove them from contention before you knew whether Currie would accept the job? That would have been asinine.

All of this supposed outrage by the media would have been there regardless of who got the job. If Fulmer got the job, we would have heard how it was crazy to give the job to someone with no administrative experience and this is just another example of the good ole boy network. If Blackburn had gotten the job, we would heard how crazy it was to bypass a national championship winning coach for a non-power 5 AD. The media are going to say what they need to say to generate ratings.
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Agree and in the end the candidate with the most experience at a larger school was selected. That is what most would do - take the most experienced.
 
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BigBadVol said:
Builds a billion dollar company yet has no leadership skills? Gotcha!
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He's done great with the browns. So I guess a smart person would have known I was inferring football leadership ability but you go on being a like chaser. One could question how legitimate his company is anyways. Seemed lucky he didn't get jailed, so I could question his leadership there as well.
 
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armchair said:
Did Mathews say WHO led on Fulmer? If he didn't, or doesn't know, than he's just blathering. But, obviously the only people who could have doe so are boosters--since we didn't have a chancellor for months. In the end, it was Davenport's decision to make. She had a firm idea of the background/experience she was looking for, and neither Fulmer or Blackburn met her criteria. It was her decision to make, and she made it.
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I'm not going to try the case but the fact is that Blackburn and Fulmer were flown to NY to talk to the search firm. If neither met the mandatory qualification of P5 AD experience, then that was a waste of time and money. I believe DM when he says that this was a Haslam Sr. decision.
 
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wtorange said:
Doug went back to coaching at Vandy and has never been ashamed of being a Vandy guy. The reason he is not closely tied to them is because DiNardo fired him and then Vandy sort of barred him from anything to do with their FB program. It does not bother me that Doug is a Vandy guy and does not disqualify him and a big supporter of the Vols.
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My response was to the poster that said DM opinion shouldn't count because he was a Vandy grad.
 
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armchair said:
Did Mathews say WHO led on Fulmer? If he didn't, or doesn't know, than he's just blathering. But, obviously the only people who could have doe so are boosters--since we didn't have a chancellor for months. In the end, it was Davenport's decision to make. She had a firm idea of the background/experience she was looking for, and neither Fulmer or Blackburn met her criteria. It was her decision to make, and she made it.
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no one has to speak with anyone to understand that this process drug Blackburn and Fulmer through the public eye as primary candidates for the job at one time or another through the process. If it is true that they were not going to be serious candidates someone should have nipped that long ago.

The chancellor was deeply involved in the discussions since mid-December with boosters and committee members. Rather than drag two long time VFLs around by the nose, cut them loose a long time ago The process was totally mis-management and I suspect that is Doug's point (I haven't listened yet to his broadcast).

Haslam ultimately made the decision. Just like with Dooley... If Currie was not wanted by him, he would not be the AD..
 
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LTVol said:
Doug usually does a good informative show from perspective of a true UT lover who has important sources of info due to his past coaching connections there. In todays show he was swayed by emotions and personal friendship w Fulmer, and lost some objectivity. If his biggest gripe w Currie is his advocacy for firing CPF, then IMO thats a plus for Currie, a sign he knows when it's time to let a coach go for the good of the program.
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You didn't listen very closely to Doug's commentary this morning, did you?:ermm:
 
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wtorange said:
Doug went back to coaching at Vandy and has never been ashamed of being a Vandy guy. The reason he is not closely tied to them is because DiNardo fired him and then Vandy sort of barred him from anything to do with their FB program. It does not bother me that Doug is a Vandy guy and does not disqualify him and a big supporter of the Vols.
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Just curious because I'm a big fan of Doug. Why did DiNardo fire him and why was he "sort of barred" from anything to do with their FB program?
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Just curious because I'm a big fan of Doug. Why did DiNardo fire him and why was he "sort of barred" from anything to do with their FB program?
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DiNardo didn't fire Doug. When Watson Brown was let go as head coach at VU, Doug was his DC and let go at same time.. that was when Doug decided to leave coaching
 
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kbvol said:
it matters that everyone who supports the program and university know how dishonestly the process was conducted. It may never change, but it sure as hell won't if it's not made public so more people know about it. If it played out the way doug mathews just said it did, which there's no reason to believe it didn't, it was both dishonest and disgraceful.

And to be clear, not once did doug say anything about who may or may not have been the better candidate. Only that the process was fixed from the get go and that the two most loyal, most tied in "candidates" to the program and university, were treated like trash.
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this!
 
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LWSVOL said:
DiNardo didn't fire Doug. When Watson Brown was let go as head coach at VU, Doug was his DC and let go at same time.. that was when Doug decided to leave coaching
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Thanks, Larry. I know Doug's last year at Tennessee was the 89 season if I'm not mistaken. Did Majors let him go or did leave on his own?
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
That's pretty interesting that he got tired of working for Majors. Seems like Doug has always spoken very highly of John on his show. Thanks for the info.
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Public figures, not just coaches, always say a lot of things in public that are "shaded". not 100% truthful...
 
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LWSVOL said:
Public figures, not just coaches, always say a lot of things in public that are "shaded". not 100% truthful...
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Do you know Doug pretty well? Out of everybody in our local sports media he's probably my favorite to listen to. Just seems like a straight up guy who does a really solid job letting the fans know what's going on at Tennessee from a football standpoint. He's one of the few that I trust that their information is correct.
 
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wmcovol said:
If you are hiring a contractor to build your dream home worth a couple million, do you :

1) hire a guy who this will be their first house to build
2) hire a guy who has built thousands of mobile homes
Or
3) hire a guy who has built several million+ dollar homes?

It's a no ****in brainer decision.

Hell Haslam has made a lot tougher decisions than this.
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Terrible analogy
 
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Chief Vol 13 said:
Do you know Doug pretty well? Out of everybody in our local sports media he's probably my favorite to listen to. Just seems like a straight up guy who does a really solid job letting the fans know what's going on at Tennessee from a football standpoint. He's one of the few that I trust that their information is correct.
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I know him better than he knows me. Been around him several times. Doug gets decent information out of UT but can get bad information as well. He is close to some that I feel aren't always telling him the straight stuff coming out. Of course, anyone getting information on subjects can get bad information..

Doug is a great guy but like anyone has his biases when it comes to people. None of us could spend 10 years in the same office with someone and not be very close to them. So it is not a bad assumption to think he is shaded when it comes to Phillip.

When Florida beat us 10-9 a few years back, we talked in the parking lot after the game. He said that was the worse skilled Florida team he had ever seen come into Knoxville. We missed a great opportunity to kill the streak then.
 
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Hey, we hired an AD whose resume lists that he is a good bean counter and raises money well. Further that he has sketchy relationships with his coaches, what could go wrong? Wonder if his post career goal is to dig wells in Africa?
 
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thistime said:
It has always amazed me how so many think that the money guys can do no wrong. Look at the past 15 years and tell me that the money guys had nothing to do with the decisions made on the hill. Everything form football to ping pong has slowly gone dowm the tubes. Football has shown signs of life since Butch arrived but not enough to appease the masses and the basketball program has shown flashes but nothing special and yet the Haslams and their ilk have only done the good stuff.....what good stuff. I have been a vol fan since Dicky was coach and Mears was riding a unicycle, things have changed. Call it power struggles call it egos call it what ever the hell you want but the climate of college sports is changing and we seem to get in our own way at every turn. Fulmer was a great coach, got lazy got canned. Pearl was a showman got stupid got fired. The greatest of all got sick.....enough said. There is a new sheriff in town and she seems to be going to do it the right way or her way no matter what the masses think. The accustions by the ladies against the vols, the whole culture of athletics not only in Knoxville but around the country has made the ways of the past just that, the ways of the past. As much as it is a great place for sports it is still above all a Tennessee State run University and will remain so as long as it is open and Education is still why it is there and as much as we all want football to be the main reason the powers that be are determined to make education number one and athletics number two. The days of a basket weaving class are behind us and I think the days of athletic money men calling the shots may be a thing of the past as well. Sports has always been a big part of UT, before pro football we had the vols. Before every game being on the TV we listened to John Ward while riding around on the back rodes and imagining we were there and hanging on his every word. Times are changing for better or worse they are changing. This may be the greatest AD hire of all time, may be the worst but no matter what I am a VOL and I went through the good and the bad and yes I cheered as we won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and I have ranted when we didn't go for two because of the sheet..... I watched as we stomped Miami the same year we got tied by Army. Being a Vol means you have got to learn to roll with the flow and always expect the next drama. Nobody does it better or has done it longer then us. GO VOLS !!!!
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I gave you a like because this was a long post. Honestly, I only read the first three sentences and they were passionate enough for me to click it.
 
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Here it is in a nut shell, UT is more interested in creating a new language where we can't call women females and men males instead of having a winning program. The stupidity and low life leadership at UT Makes me wanna turn in my orange. We are truly turning into the Browns of the SEC. Ugh! Haslam has to be auT's Bobby Louder, he needs to go.
 
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