Doug Matthews Roasting the AD hiring process

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savannahfan said:
IF it played out like Doug Mathews just said it did.
Did it? How can we know. Has he in his article given any proof for what he says. Provable facts, that's what I would want to see when claims like this are made. Otherwise, as I stated in a post above ,it's BS.
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You either believe him or you don't. Dude's been on the radio for 25 years doing his show on all things Tennessee football and athletics and has a pretty damn good track record. We also know he has ties and contacts to the program and boosters like few others. And then look at what was reported during the process, what's been reported since Currie's hiring and the answers given by Davenport at the presser.

Again, you either believe it or not. Then throw in what we know of past administration hiring/decisions....Sure looks like it adds up to me.
 
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People living in the past. Let's focus on the future and hope that Currie can be a success at UT.
 
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hmhawk said:
No way this is true. Too many posters on here praising or condemning Davenport. VN is never wrong. Big Jim wasn't involved.
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Big Jim was absolutely involved. The minute Jimmy was put on the committee, he was nothing more than Big Jim's proxy for what he wanted done.
 
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I don't understand why we talk about wins and losses ~n~ coaching hirings and firings for years but I was told I'm not supposed to talk about this and to move on, starting the day it happened.

I give said 'flying monkey's ass' about who we hire and how we hire them. And 'pretty much' anything related to UT football.

Pretty much and ugly much for that matter. :)
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Big Jim or Little Jim. One directly and one indirectly. The hire had to be approved by the Governor. Both were involved to a degree.
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I reckon I should have used blue font. I just meant it would be awhile before we know the details. Since the announcement it's just been an onslaught in opinions by everyone.
 
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KBVol said:
You either believe him or you don't. Dude's been on the radio for 25 years doing his show on all things Tennessee football and athletics and has a pretty damn good track record. We also know he has ties and contacts to the program and boosters like few others. And then look at what was reported during the process, what's been reported since Currie's hiring and the answers given by Davenport at the presser.

Again, you either believe it or not. Then throw in what we know of past administration hiring/decisions....Sure looks like it adds up to me.
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I bow to your insight.
Talked out of school.
Part of my trouble is my big mouth, among lots of others.
I sometimes forget that being "way over here" does not expose me to "closer" insights by more informed people than I would ever be. Some times I just let my ignorance over come me.
I should try harder to function by the old saying that I was supposed to have learned many, many years ago that "silence is golden." Have always had trouble with it.
 
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One thing Doug said that I found interesting was that Currie wanted to hire Gruden in 2008 when Fulmer was fired, but it quickly turned to Kiffin. I don't recall Grumors in 2008.
 
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hmhawk said:
I reckon I should have used blue font. I just meant it would be awhile before we know the details. Since the announcement it's just been an onslaught in opinions by everyone.
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Tell the fans what they want to hear, then, do what you want. It's the basic MO for this University.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Oh look, another thread about someone not liking the AD hire. Who gives a flying monkey's ass? It's over with! The fans and the media need to move on and let Currie do his job. Blackburn wasn't hired. He would have been great but Currie has a chance to be great too. No reason for constant whining over something that's already been done.
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This is all we can do but shows it is still screwed up over there. It will make it hard on Currie as well.
 
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savannahfan said:
I gave you a like..
The trouble is most everything we have seen posted over the last year or so has had this "bad old admin., bad old big money influence" theme. Hard to ignore. Finding thoughtful info and insight that isn't full of emotion that is "antie" is becoming harder and harder.

Sorry to not respond quicker. Had to stop and feed the dam- dog.

Bye the way, I am as full of BS at times as anyone on here!!

Anyway, thanks for calling me down. I will try to do better.
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It's all good man.
I know usually people say I'm not trying to be a smart-azz right before they are one, but I wanted you to know that I honestly wasn't being.

I would get mad reading political stuff years ago, so I stopped eventually. Felt a much better after I did.
Granted, I'm sure it can be hard to avoid all things related to the administration discussion.

There was just talk that possibly Davenport was going to decide for herself. I, for one, am interested in these stories coming out.
 
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coffeevol said:
Total meltdown on the administration. Basically....led fulmer and blackburn on, cut Anderson out of having a say because he supported Fulmer. Never had a say in things at the end....Big Jim made decision and had contract worked out before Davenport hit the ground in Manhattan. Says it was done dirty with the leading on of other candidates
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I really do not understand the "dirty" part of this. There was a job opening with several names being evaluated. One person got the job and others did not. I have hired over a hundred people in my career and never wanted to be down to only one option at the end. I always go into the negotiation with a primary target and at least one secondary target. If things do not work with the primary target, then I go with the secondary one. I assume Fulmer and Blackburn were backup plans, so why would you remove them from contention before you knew whether Currie would accept the job? That would have been asinine.

All of this supposed outrage by the media would have been there regardless of who got the job. If Fulmer got the job, we would have heard how it was crazy to give the job to someone with no administrative experience and this is just another example of the good ole boy network. If Blackburn had gotten the job, we would heard how crazy it was to bypass a national championship winning coach for a non-power 5 AD. The media are going to say what they need to say to generate ratings.

I really don't care who they hired as I do not have the necessary experience to know which person should have gotten the job. I was not in the discussions either. If Currie works out, then great for us. If not, then he gets replaced.
 
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Witch Doctor agree with DM, its not WHO they hired, its HOW they do it...when/if a new coach is needed, they will see this(they have people who do research on the job too...) its just another example of this backstabbing admin, when good coaches have no interest or dont come in the future...remember this. they will.
Bones Never Lie.
 
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savannahfan said:
I bow to your insight.
Talked out of school.
Part of my trouble is my big mouth, among lots of others.
I sometimes forget that being "way over here" does not expose me to "closer" insights by more informed people than I would ever be. Some times I just let my ignorance over come me.
I should try harder to function by the old saying that I was supposed to have learned many, many years ago that "silence is golden." Have always had trouble with it.
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I have zero insight. I just think that guys like Mathews and Hyams and Hubbs do, so I listen to them. Been listening to Mathews for a long time and I trust that he did the research that he said he did and that he wouldn't have said what he said this morning had it not been factual.
 
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It was shady in the least. It's not surprising though. People whine and cry about how this football program and other athletics programs have fallen on hard times. The way they conduct business up there is why. Whether you believe it's the boosters or administration. There is a disconnect up there and it's hurt everything except the blind loyal fans. They count on that and take full advantage of it. Now if Butch gets it handed to him this year again and this AD is forced to fire him, he better damn well make a splash hire or I think the chickens will finally come home to roost. You can't keep biting the hand that feeds you and eventually not pay for it. They're a very arrogant bunch up there. Damn lucky the fans are so loyal..
 
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Power T-Rev said:
Ok. John Currie is AD now. Not trying to be a smartass, but how does that matter now?
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this...I'm sick about the hire as much as anyone, and what was said by Doug may be true, but, it's done and time will tell...it's not like I'm going to quit pulling for my Vols...just let it go...I have...:yes:

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Cartervol said:
It was shady in the least. It's not surprising though. People whine and cry about how this football program and other athletics programs have fallen on hard times. The way they conduct business up there is why. Whether you believe it's the boosters or administration. There is a disconnect up there and it's hurt everything except the blind loyal fans. They count on that and take full advantage of it. Now if Butch gets it handed to him this year again and this AD is forced to fire him. He better damn well make a splash hire or I think the chickens will finally come home to roost. You can't keep biting the hand that feeds you and eventually not pay for it. They're a very arrogant bunch up there. Damn lucky the fans are so loyal..
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Very well said about the administration/boosters and the way they do things. It's disgraceful imo, specifically how they play our loyal fan base.

On a related note, ironic thing for me is, I find Butch to be a sympathetic figure at this point, and he all but lost me after this past season. I'm now pulling for him specifically to have great success this year so that Currie won't have to hire a new football coach anytime soon....his track record of hiring coaches es no bueno.
 
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Old sayings are old sayings for a reason, and one of 'em is "money talks and bull$h!t walks". Hyams stated insiders said big Jim was an advocate for Currie.
From the Davenport perspective the qualifications she laid down eliminated Blackburn and Fulmer, Currie was hired b/c in her opinion he had the strongest resume. :question:
 
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RollerVol said:
this...I'm sick about the hire as much as anyone, and what was said by Doug may be true, but, it's done and time will tell...it's not like I'm going to quit pulling for my Vols...just let it go...I have...:yes:

GO VOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It'll happen eventually. Plenty of us not ready yet, especially since this all went down less than a week ago. Plus, I think it's better that some of this mess get publicly exposed rather than just sweeping it under the rug. Likely changes nothing, but better to have more light on it rather than less.
 
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orangeluvr said:
Old sayings are old sayings for a reason, and one of 'em is "money talks and bull$h!t walks". Hyams stated insiders said big Jim was an advocate for Currie.
From the Davenport perspective the qualifications she laid down eliminated Blackburn and Fulmer, Currie was hired b/c in her opinion he had the strongest resume. :question:
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Interesting that she stated the 2 requirements that immediately eliminated both Fulmer and Blackburn....yet they both flew up to New York to interview with the Search firm late. Wonder why?

Also interesting that the one Search committee member who was left out of the process at the end, when the decision was made, was Charlie Anderson, the lone Fulmer advocate on the committee.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
I'm very aware of how it was played out but you know what? It is what it is. The hire is done made regardless of how the boosters and Davenport handled it. Also, I've seen plenty of people criticizing Currie when he hasn't even been on the job for a week yet. But if Blackburn were hired, he'd be the next coming of Jesus.
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I wish we'd hire a Jesus once so we could say we tried. Hell I'll take a Buddha.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
How exactly was Blackburn lead on when he was never even interviewed?
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everyone needs to understand how things work.

forget interviews. there were probably dozens of discussions between the boosters and the candidates as the process went along. that is where things get decided.

and as has been going on for decades, Pilot Oil makes the decisions. Probably decided on who it was going to be more than once.. First DB, then PF and lastly JC.
 
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Currie ends up doing a good job and I don't care how we got there.
 
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