Doug Mathews Big Orange Sunday in a nutshell after KY game

#52
#52
CJP will still be here no doubt.

However he has proven he cannot keep his teams motivated.

He has proven he cannot instill discipline.

He has proven his stubbornness and unwillingness to adapt and adjust.

He has proven his teams (at least parts of them) will quit on him.

He has proven he needs more talent to do less, while other coaches often do more, with less.

By all means when Pruitt has actually done something......hey say it loud....call him the man.....but he hasn’t done squat yet.
 
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De La Cloobs said:
The lack of strong WR play has been pointed out by multiple talking heads at this point. It’s easy to gang up on the QB but our QBs are not getting help from our WRs. They caved against tougher defensive back units.

They won’t be able to out-muscle bama’s secondary either. This is where one of the recruiting gaps really shine. Our passing game is not respected at all. No matter who starts at QB next week, they won’t look good with nothing to throw to.

Gonna be Ugly I fear
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Some may think this sounds crazy, but our WRs are just as talented as they were when Manning was here. Great/really good QBs make everyone better. Hardly none of those WRs Manning had made it at the next level, but they were all drafted because they looked so good in college
 
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butchna said:
What good is separation if the ball is behind you? I remember one good throw to Hyatt and he caught it in stride...well ahead of the DB.
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To add to that.

The weekly questioning of why we dont throw over the middle much?
Most believe its a trust thing. If you re high, late, or generally erratic the % of a turnover goes up.

What happens when a good DC watches tape? They find tendencies. Things you re trying to do, things you re trying to stay away from.

That circles back to this discussion. To use a basketball analogy, "if you cant go left, eventually you won't be allowed to go right".
 
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BeecherVol said:
To add to that.

The weekly questioning of why we dont throw over the middle much?
Most believe its a trust thing. If you re high, late, or generally erratic the % of a turnover goes up.

What happens when a good DC watches tape? They find tendencies. Things you re trying to do, things you re trying to stay away from.

That circles back to this discussion. To use a basketball analogy, "if you cant go left, eventually you won't be allowed to go right".
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I backed Pruitt on his conservative policy on JG. But that was based on his play NOT GETTING US BEAT. Yesterday’s kicked that thinking out of the window! He effectively put us down 14-0 and Shrout added 3. That’s all Kentucky needed and then the defense saw nothing from the offense in the second half and caved. That’s not winning philosophy.
 
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ptcarter said:
  • There WILL be an immediate change at QB. Number 15 most likely.
  • CJP is still the right guy, rebuilding a program is tough in this league.
  • Our Defense is improving, even though we can't cover the slant.
  • Young players in the waning moments of the KY game showed some promise.
  • Only 3 out of 4 drives of significance for us in the second half. Offense couldn't deliver.
  • Pruitt's Sunday will be spent with Offensive staff.
  • Receivers can't get any separation and haven't all season.
  • Inability to deliver splash plays (down the field) makes life easy for other teams DC.
  • Dumb penalties.. lack of discipline.
  • To early to give up. Last 5 games will tell the tale of the season.

Feel free to add to this list. This is just off the top of my head after listening to the show.
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Ugh... we have 6 games left, not 5. Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Vanderbilt, Texas A&M, and Florida.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Might as well right off Florida and Texas A&M as well. No way Tennessee beats either of those teams unless they change dramatically. We likely won't beat Arkansas either.
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Those are beatable teams if all things are equal. You’re right about that not being now.
 
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GVol1966 said:
Did you watch the Bama D last night?
I did and now I’m feeling even worse about what they might do to us
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They are going to beat us but our D held up against Georgia. Bama gave up quite a few points to little Stetson IV. They are giving up basically 30 points a game and that is not like 9 in their best years. Did not say we were gonna have our way. Just said it is not like we are facing the great Bama D's that would kill us in the past. If Bailey can throw a slant and move in the pocket and feel pressure and hit hot receivers to keep them honest, they won't kill him. We won't win but I don't think it would be any worse than when Dobbs had to go against them. I also feel Bailey is a gamer and will do enough not to get killed.
 
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VOL_Lyfe said:
Bama D is plenty good enough for us, trust me
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Process the FACT they are not as good as previous years and all I am saying is I don't think Bailey will be damaged for the rest of his life if he starts against them. OK to start the experiment. I didn't say we were going to hang 40. We have some real stupid people in this fanbase.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So not only are the QBs bad but we have WRs that cannot get separation. Great. Grand. Thats been a problem dating back to Botch Jones. Well if we dont have veteran WRs that can get separation then throw the young guys out there. Beckwith, Wideman, Hyatt, Holliday, Calloway. Just play these freaking guys already.
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Ok. To address the separation issue we have. This is due to JG. He's not a timing quarterback. Or a spot thrower. So the receivers aren't doing a ten yard curl and the ball on the way as they quick break, turning and catching and pressuring the defense. They are running the route directed, the cb just watches and runs with. They make the break, the ball isn't there, the cb just recovers his gap and JG can't throw it without interference. It's aided by the fact that he's staring down the receiver from the snap, so the safety/linebacker slides over to cover as well. There is no room when the QB can't anticipate, telegraph's the route. You can see him start to pump up for the throw when the break is coming, easy timing for any competent average safety to read and time.

When we think of separation. We think of Marvin Harrison blowing past the DB and the safety out of alignment, Peyton hitting the gap or going over the top. That is set up by Marvin earlier not flying his route, but rather curling or breaking and Manning having the ball in his hands moments after the break. That makes the cb commit to the break or get beat deep. Peyton and Marvin set it up and read it together. The reason the safety of out of position, Peyton was off looking him to the other side, or on a crossing route. Using his eyes and shoulders to steer him away from where he wants the open field to be.

A good quarterback also on the handoff to the running back continues his motion as if he's going to throw or roll out. Pausing the secondary/linebackers a moment. Later on when he fakes the handoff and does the same motions, the coverage has to guess, run or pass, pausing themselves for a moment. This creates areas for the receivers to get open. JG does none of this. His handoffs are obvious. His fakes are even more so. He directs the coverage to the target area. Throws late. Incorrect touch for the throw. The only pass he's been consistent at. The lob, jump, which is effective at times, but not a go to pass every play.

With a better QB, other issues should autocorrect. The new guy will make mistakes, but his abilities should open up the offense from the grip the defense has had for so many games.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
We have speed guys on the team even if they are freshman. V. Jones has speed. The only thing we have him do is reverses which is predictable. Play Jones, Hyatt, Wideman , Calloway, Holliday and Johnson. Get the guys up to speed this week. I noticed last night when reviewing some of the routes in the game that all our routes on a given play are about 15 yards or less. A play design should have at least one go route or deep post/out in every play. That keeps the defenses honest.
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I would also play Palmer if he is available.
 
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JacketVol said:
Process the FACT they are not as good as previous years and all I am saying is I don't think Bailey will be damaged for the rest of his life if he starts against them. OK to start the experiment. I didn't say we were going to hang 40. We have some real stupid people in this fanbase.
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ok, bud, relax. Got your point. Now grab a Snickers.
 
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