Dormady's surgery progress

[Wolfeman_Vol]

No one who has said this has answered me why. How can you possibly think this?

Two freshman qbs.

7.17 ypa to 4.34 ypa

61.9% to 42.5%

4td 2ints vs 1td 2ints

The one td was the result of the ref tackling the defender and leaving the te wide open.

So how?

To be fair Guarantano was a red shirt freshman and Will was a true freshman.

 

[lexkyvol]

Dormady lost the job due to poor performance. Why are people trying to act like that wasn't the reason now?



People wonder why some of us say race is a factor.

Why would JG, who had the best passing stats be the one to move to wr or db? How is he, "Not a qb," but McBride who completed less than 43% of his passes to JG's 62% is a qb? If anything McBride should move. He is a better runner and can't pass nearly as well as the other two.

How is Dormady a qb who doesn't need to change? JG had a higher ypa, completion percentage, td int ratio, and qb rating? How can he read defenses but JG can't when JG took care of the ball better with a higher ypa and completion percentage?

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Stats for last year since you have all seemed to either forgot or didn't watch the games.

SEC games

JG 71/109 65.1% 857 yds 7.86 ypa 3tds 2ints 136.6 rtg

QD 26/55 47.3% 323 yds 5.87 ypa 1td 5ints 84.4 rtg

WM 16/32 50% 139 yds 4.34 ypa 1td 2ints 84.3 rtg

Overall

JG 86/139 61.9% 997 yds 7.17 ypa 4tds 2ints 128.7 rtg

QD 79/137 55.5% 925 yds 6.75 ypa 6tds 6ints 117.9 rtg

WM 17/40 42.5% 152 yds 3.8 ypa 1td 2ints 72.7 rtg

So can someone claiming that QD or WM is a better qb justify why you think this?

How can someone see WM pass and run versus JG and claim JG is not a qb but a db or wr and WM is a qb?

No matter if its SEC games or the whole season JG has the highest completion percentage, highest ypa, best td/int ratio, and best qb rating.

Please explain.

excellent!

 

[k-town_king]

Only time will tell, but what I saw on how he handled the situation and the fact that he had a year less in college, I agree with Zues. McBride has the potential to be a special player. You could hear his teammates in post-game interviews saying how they knew he would be fine, calling him iceman, etc. Even when JG was starting and Dormandy came in for two series and didn't attempt a pass (injured?) you heard his teammates taking up for him that he could actually run and seamed more excited about that than having JG as QB.

So nothing on field just like I thought huh?

So how does saying teammates saying he would, "be fine" mean anything that? You think they sounded excited so that means what exactly? The praising JG since arrived.

So you are basing this completely on who you like and opinion not on anything WM did like I thought. That is basically the whole WM argument. Just a feeling. lol:



If anything he should be a slot wr or a rb if we are moving qbs. 42.5% 4.34 ypa with 1 lucky td or wouldn't have had a score the whole year.

 

[k-town_king]

To be fair Guarantano was a red shirt freshman and Will was a true freshman.

That is true. But how can someone say he was better or looked more talented. If it was even close I could see it. It was not though.

 

[Snapper58]

So nothing on field just like I thought huh?

So how does saying teammates saying he would, "be fine" mean anything that? You think they sounded excited so that means what exactly? The praising JG since arrived.

So you are basing this completely on who you like and opinion not on anything WM did like I thought. That is basically the whole WM argument. Just a feeling. lol:



If anything he should be a slot wr or a rb if we are moving qbs. 42.5% 4.34 ypa with 1 lucky td or wouldn't have had a score the whole year.

The who I like has to do with their attitude and heart. If you understand football you can see intangibles that don't show in the stat sheet. You can see how a QB looks downfield. You can see how he moves in the pocket. You can see how good his internal clock is on the pass rush. You can see how he makes people miss on runs versus running in a straight line. So if you want to call that my opinion, that is fine. But keep your arguments up and one day you will be back eating crow.

 

[k-town_king]

The who I like has to do with their attitude and heart. If you understand football you can see intangibles that don't show in the stat sheet. You can see how a QB looks downfield. You can see how he moves in the pocket. You can see how good his internal clock is on the pass rush. You can see how he makes people miss on runs versus running in a straight line. So if you want to call that my opinion, that is fine. But keep your arguments up and one day you will be back eating crow.

My position is not an opinion. Its fact.

JG was much better than WM. He looked much better. The stats back it up.

Just say you like his attitude better.

Don't try to say he is more talented or played better.

That is a lie. Recruiting rankings, size, arm talent, and stats tell the story.

He scrambled a little better that is all. When Dobbs was qb that was deemed not important for a qb. Now yall want to ignore passing completely because a guy is somewhat mobile.

 

[Snapper58]

My position is not an opinion. Its fact.

JG was much better than WM. He looked much better. The stats back it up.

Just say you like his attitude better.

Don't try to say he is more talented or played better.

That is a lie. Recruiting rankings, size, arm talent, and stats tell the story.

He scrambled a little better that is all. When Dobbs was qb that was deemed not important for a qb. Now yall want to ignore passing completely because a guy is somewhat mobile.

Obviously you only want to read the parts you want and show more ignorance. My answer was not only that he scrambled a little better.

 

[johnrlansford]

Yeah... because throwing screen passes against Vandy, Mizzou, USCe, and UK is JUST LIKE throwing down field against UGA and UF.

JG has physical talent. More than Dormady IMO. But three critical things are apparent by his play and the lack of real trust the coaching staff had in him.

One, he either does not have it above the shoulders or else didn't put in the work. They didn't trust him with pre-snap reads and his post snap reads were very limited.

Two, without the screens... he's a liability in the pocket. Instead of turning the ball over he took a ton of sacks... which statistically kill an offense.

Three, he's only a "team guy" when he's playing. Otherwise he really doesn't give a rip about the team or the other players. He refused to accept that he'd been beaten out and demanded playing time in spite of that fact.

He has arm talent. But he has a LONG way to go in terms of head and heart.

1. Dormady wasn't successfull throwing the ball downfield against UGA or FL.

2. You don't know JG and have no basis for your opinion on him not accepting getting beat out. Being upset because the guy in front of you is playing like garbage is completely different than being upset about not winning the starting job. Any backup would have been pissed watching Dormdy throw interception after Interception.

JG has been praised by his teammates since he arriived for being a leader and great teammate!

3. When it came down to it, JG was a better QB. Dormady is a liability for the offense, outside of 1 good half against GT, Dormady looked like hot garbage!

4. JG ypa were higher so he was throwing for more yards on a catch than Dormady on average.

Those are all Facts!

 

[k-town_king]

Obviously you only want to read the parts you want and show more ignorance. My answer was not only that he scrambled a little better.

I saw what you said. I'm just pointing out that scrambling is literally the only thing WM showed he may be better at.

 

[peytonmanningwoo]

He was the starter and won more games this year before he got hurt. Why wouldn't he have the best chance to start? IF the OL can protect him he will be good. I'm ok with either qb but he will work better without running the fake option 20 times a game.

He was benched. Once the season was history, Jones elected to go with the younger guy. Dormady elected to have a minor surgery that could have waited if he were still the starter.

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[Dan Federman]

Sorry if I missed, what is the status Dormady after his surgery? When is allowed to start throwing and will he available for spring practice? I think we are going to need him when all is said and done.

I was told by someone close to the program that Dormady quit the team. I hope he was mistaken because we need more than 2 QB's on the roster.....assuming we don't sign one in this class.

 

[vols72]

I do believe he would do well in a more Pro Style like I think they're going to

 

[Dan Federman]

I do believe he would do well in a more Pro Style like I think they're going to

I agree and with a little more pass pro!

 

[CardsNVols]

I firmly believe Guarantano will be the QB next season. Possibly the next 3. He's no Josh Dobbs, but he's the best we've got IMO.

All that aside, I do hope Dormady is coming along smoothly. As someone stated earlier, we need more than 2 QBs on the roster, especially with so much uncertainty on the O-line.

 

[vols72]

I agree and with a little more pass pro!

Yeah the O-line is my biggest concern. We have got to get bigger and nastier there. IMO I think Richmond should be moved to guard beside Tre. He seems better situated there. That could be a lethal combo on the left side

 

[Zues1]

My position is not an opinion. Its fact.

JG was much better than WM. He looked much better. The stats back it up.

Just say you like his attitude better.

Don't try to say he is more talented or played better.

That is a lie. Recruiting rankings, size, arm talent, and stats tell the story.

He scrambled a little better that is all. When Dobbs was qb that was deemed not important for a qb. Now yall want to ignore passing completely because a guy is somewhat mobile.

JG is that you, or maybe you're JG's dad.
You seem to be carrying a lot of water for the kid.

WM was a breath of fresh air. You could see (well I could at least) as soon as he stepped onto the field he had confidence. He believed in himself, as did the team. He knew the offense and how to read the defense.
He knew when to scramble etc. Yes he has his limitations, he's not a big guy, cant' throw the deep ball 45 yards. But he's got game, and you (well I ) can see it.

JG will probably be the starter "If we have the same three options we had in 2017 " and he could be very good. But the next QB coach needs to grab him by his face mask and shake the shat out of him.
Ask him why in the f*** he's holding onto the ball so long. Throw it away son, stop taking so many sacks and live to play another down. OH and by the way the RPO, gives you the option to run the ball as well. Ya know maybe pick up 8 yards every now an then.

 

[stevenrich2003]

New coaches, new scheme, saying anyone is better than anyone else at this point and time is nonsense. It's an even playing field, and whoever starts will have to earn it. If the players don't like that, they know where the door is.

Yes!
I try really hard to not be an armchair coach. I have been guilty of it in the past. Your absolutely correct with this

 

[jasonvol18]

New coaches, new scheme, saying anyone is better than anyone else at this point and time is nonsense. It's an even playing field, and whoever starts will have to earn it. If the players don't like that, they know where the door is.

My point was he fits it better and any offensive scheme better based off one Who had horrible turnover issues vs JG who didn't turn it over. He took more hits than he should and has to be quicker with his decisions but that's all easily fixed by good coaching. Truthfully JG and McBride are more diverse with being able to fit into just about any offense. Not saying good coaching couldn't have all 3 being great QB's. It really is hard to make assumptions on the QB's. The majority of High School QB's get better QB coaching in HS than our QB's have been getting. Crompton and Since are 2 Vol examples of what having a good QB Coach can do for a struggling QB. What Kiffin and Cut did for both of them the year they had them was incredible. That's exactly why nobody should give up on any of them til this staff can coach them.If no improvement is made then we know it was the QB's and not just the previous coach's.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

New coaches, new scheme, saying anyone is better than anyone else at this point and time is nonsense. It's an even playing field, and whoever starts will have to earn it. If the players don't like that, they know where the door is.

Yep. Nobody even knows what the offensive scheme will be yet. But here are some just anointing who is the best fit for it. VN goin VN.

 

[Electric Orange]

Kinda makes you miss the good old days with real QBs. QBs like Rick Clausen.

 

[Nerfherder865]

I'm just curious why we totally kicked Penix to the curb...he seems to be loyal, intelligent, and by most accounts extremely underrated. I really hope Tyson Helton didn't kick us in the junk by withdrawing the kids scholarship. I know it's not the new groups responsibility to honor the old regimes offers...but as loyal and committed as this kid has been it sure seemed dirty..not to mention it makes our recruiting efforts in South Florida a bit harder now after how we did him.

 

[johnrlansford]

I'm just curious why we totally kicked Penix to the curb...he seems to be loyal, intelligent, and by most accounts extremely underrated. I really hope Tyson Helton didn't kick us in the junk by withdrawing the kids scholarship. I know it's not the new groups responsibility to honor the old regimes offers...but as loyal and committed as this kid has been it sure seemed dirty..not to mention it makes our recruiting efforts in South Florida a bit harder now after how we did him.

Doesn't fit what Pruiit and Helton want to do on offense i guess!

 

[JMSqb11]

Dormady probably just needs to go somewhere else for a fresh start, I think he's talented, I think he would be a good fit for the offense, but I also think the players have kind of accepted JG as the starting quarterback. He should be able to graduate transfer.

I think JG and QD will both have a nice "reboot" with an actual QB coach who is also the OC. Helton ran some high octane offenses at USC so I think our QB's will be handled smoothly.

 

[johnrlansford]

I think JG and QD will both have a nice "reboot" with an actual QB coach who is also the OC. Helton ran some high octane offenses at USC so I think our QB's will be handled smoothly.

Don't think Dormady will be ready to compete in the spring, but hope I am wrong.

Either way I believe that Dormady won't be the starter atleast not for the entire season ever again at UT!

He is damaged goods, and doesn't have the mentality to play at a big time SEC school.

You can't teach insticts and Dormady just doesn't have them!

 

[sechamp2012]

JG will be the most experienced QB coming back in minutes played in career. Also I think he has negative total rushing yards no instincts or pocket presence, so we are hurting at QB if we go spread.