Doomsday Fans

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DocVol said:
That rant was unmerited but I suppose I see where you are coming from. I'm not arguing anyone's views or loyalties or charitable contributions. I merely stated fact...that the Doomsday Fans love to throw hate around when they question why and how something is done. And Hamilton wasn't even in the thread so I see no reason to bring him up. I still think there were plenty of other coaching options that should have been in here now as the HFBC, BUT, it is what it is, and he's trying so until proven otherwise, I'll support what I see. THAT BEING SAID, that still doesn't take away from or make anything I've said earlier untrue. There's only one thing worse than a fair weather fan and that is a DOOMSDAY-the-world-is-ending-we-will-only-win-two-game-this-year-FAN.
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Actually the situation we're in is all on MH. And you calling me or anyone else with a brain doomsday fan is an issue. A realist is not doomsday. A fairy tale accepter like yourself can lap up all the DD hype you want. But I will call what I see. MH has led this program into the dirt.
 
#102
#102
Volfan8282 said:
I'm too tired to address all of the ignorance in this post. First of all, it's "raped," not "rapped." Alabama does not run a spread offense genius. They had a few offensive sets where they ran a quirky offense, but it's not their main offense by any stretch. The Florida game wasn't really that close. If Tebow doesn't fumble, then it's a 17-20 point loss which I was still impressed with considering the talent difference and the problems that their offense presents. You have to have depth and serious athleticism to compete with Florida's offense. Alabama ran more of a conventional offense which is more about scheming than personnel.

Orgeron wasn't our head coach. So, I have no clue what your reference to his problems at Ole Miss has to do with his job at UT. Kiffin did not fail at Oakland. Regardless of both of those wrong statements by you, the most glaring problem with your failed attempts at coherent thoughts is that you can't see the huge strides the team took from 2008 to 2009. But, why am I not surprised?

I did not say that Wilcox doesn't know anything about defense or football. I said he's not in the same league as Monte Kiffin, and he's not. But, way to completely not read and/or comprehend what I wrote. Kudos bud.
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Obviously you don't comprehend either "bud" bc I never said alabama ran the spread offense. So I guess the ignorance points to you as well. About the Florida game you bring up a fumble? Pathetic excuse we lost by ten there's no coulda shoulda woulda tebow's fumble or not we lost by ten, and talking about how much more we shoulda lost by is just pathetic and sick.

And my reference to orgeron was about his pathetic coaching job at old miss as head coach, which was just as bad as kiffin's at Oakland. The point is they can recruit but they haven't been stable coaches and to win you gotta do both. And after 08 we could only go up, so those strides you speak of would have happened one way or another.

And as for Monte his last few years at Tampa weren't to flashy, so you can talk about being outta league's all you want. But in reality coaching in college is a lot different then in the nfl, just ask Charlie weis, nick saban, Rick pettino, etc. So go jump on your USC bandwagon and STFU!
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#103
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IndianaVolunteer said:
Obviously you don't comprehend either "bud" bc I never said alabama ran the spread offense. So I guess the ignorance points to you as well. About the Florida game you bring up a fumble? Pathetic excuse we lost by ten there's no coulda shoulda woulda tebow's fumble or not we lost by ten, and talking about how much more we shoulda lost by is just pathetic and sick.

And my reference to orgeron was about his pathetic coaching job at old miss as head coach, which was just as bad as kiffin's at Oakland. The point is they can recruit but they haven't been stable coaches and to win you gotta do both. And after 08 we could only go up, so those strides you speak of would have happened one way or another.

And as for Monte his last few years at Tampa weren't to flashy, so you can talk about being outta league's all you want. But in reality coaching in college is a lot different then in the nfl, just ask Charlie weis, nick saban, Rick pettino, etc. So go jump on your USC bandwagon and STFU!
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1) I didn't know Rick "Pettino" coached in the NFL. I would bet even Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino are surprised by that. Classic.

2) You talked about Florida and Alabama in the same sentence that also discussed how we had the defense to stop spread offenses. I guess I read your sentence logically and inferred that you were giving Florida and Alabama as 2 examples of how we stopped spread offenses. I guess it was pointless though for me to try to follow your post in a logical manner.

3) Yes, Tim Tebow fumbled in the red zone when we were already down 17 I believe. Rogan recovered, and I think we got a touchdown out of it. So, if he doesn't fumble and they score a touchdown, it's not nearly as close as what the final score showed. Consequently, that doesn't show that we could stop a spread offense that was worth a crap which goes back to my original point of not having the athletes/depth.

4) It's Ole Miss ... not Old Miss.
 
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Volfan8282 said:
1) I didn't know Rick "Pettino" coached in the NFL. I would bet even Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino are surprised by that. Classic.

2) You talked about Florida and Alabama in the same sentence that also discussed how we had the defense to stop spread offenses. I guess I read your sentence logically and inferred that you were giving Florida and Alabama as 2 examples of how we stopped spread offenses. I guess it was pointless though for me to try to follow your post in a logical manner.

3) Yes, Tim Tebow fumbled in the red zone when we were already down 17 I believe. Rogan recovered, and I think we got a touchdown out of it. So, if he doesn't fumble and they score a touchdown, it's not nearly as close as what the final score showed. Consequently, that doesn't show that we could stop a spread offense that was worth a crap which goes back to my original point of not having the athletes/depth.

4) It's Ole Miss ... not Old Miss.
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Lol I love how you have nothing to say about my statements other then spelling errors. That's what is classic bud. And I'm all vol, unlike you obviously. so what if I confused the names of those coaches, hell their last names are similar but to exclude the great point I made you go spelling errors Haha you obviously knew what I was refering to.

And Ya so what he fumbled and we scored what's your point douche, that's football! Mt cody blocked our field goals otherwise we woulda beat Alabama! But no is complaining about that. We lost by ten that's the point. I mentioned them in the same sentence saying we lost by 12 combined points. Is that so hard to understand? I'm really starting to wonder why you keep refering to that, did you want Florida to rape us? You really are disgusting.

And yet again u fail to reply about kiffin and orgeron's coaching fails. Your responses are getting pretty elementary sir. Looks like your getting despatched. Reply with something worthwhile please!
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#105
#105
IndianaVolunteer said:
Lol I love how you have nothing to say about my statements other then spelling errors. That's what is classic bud. And I'm all vol, unlike you obviously. so what if I confused the names of those coaches, hell their last names are similar but to exclude the great point I made you go spelling errors Haha you obviously knew what I was refering to.

And Ya so what he fumbled and we scored what's your point douche, that's football! Mt cody blocked our field goals otherwise we woulda beat Alabama! But no is complaining about that. We lost by ten that's the point. I mentioned them in the same sentence saying we lost by 12 combined points. Is that so hard to understand? I'm really starting to wonder why you keep refering to that, did you want Florida to rape us? You really are disgusting.

And yet again u fail to reply about kiffin and orgeron's coaching fails. Your responses are getting pretty elementary sir. Looks like your getting despatched. Reply with something worthwhile please!
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No, it just confirms your ignorance on the subject when you confuse Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino. That's all. I do know the point that you were trying to make. Monte Kiffin wasn't a head coach though. There is a difference between being a college head football coach and an NFL head coach. Saban, Petrino, Carroll, and Spurrier are all examples of that. But, that doesn't translate to position coaches or coordinators. If you know offense, you know offense. If you know defense, you know defense. Monte was doing the same job... just on a different level. There are differences obviously, but the head coach comparison doesn't translate in the vast majority of cases for non-head coaches like Monte.

The missed FG against Alabama was to win a game. The Tebow fumble changed it from a 30-6 game to a 23-13 game. There's a slight difference there. I'm not taking anything away from us, but I do think it's a point worth raising. With the ineptitude of our offense at that point in the season, we had no chance of actually beating Florida. The only way we could've beat them was to outscore them which wasn't going to happen. Kiffin tried to shorten the game by running the clock and controlling possession, but it just wasn't enough. Again, we didn't have the talent/depth/athletes to compete on defense with Florida's offense.

I told you earlier. I don't think Kiffin failed in Oakland. You obviously do, and that's fine. But, he improved that team, even if their record wasn't great by any means. The Raiders are a hopeless organization. Orgeron's failure at Ole Miss has no bearing at all on his ability to coach the DL and to recruit. I still don't see the connection.
 
#106
#106
zach0105 said:
1) 5-15 in the NFL. Been called a flat out liar on national tv, granted it was Al Davis but he was right. Sure he came in and got our program some attention, but at what cost? The possibility of an NCAA investigation. Etc, etc...
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Kiffin was going to do big things here and was going to be brash while doing it. He was a bit erratic and would have been better served letting Chaney have a little more of the reigns, but you're kidding yourself if you think he wouldn't have turned us into a winner. Would he have gotten the program in trouble a number of times along the way? probably. Is he a prick? Yep. Dooley might be ok, but we don't know yet. The SEC is the toughest league in the nation...a lot different from the WAC. So people shouldn't get so offended when most people have their doubts about this coaching hire. I'm very pleased with most of the position hires like Hiestand, Baggett, and Wilcox though.
 
#107
#107
1. We are not going to win 8 games this year.
2. Dooley is Tennessee's coach and I hope he does well. That said, there's no way he's a better hire than Kiffin based on resume. The WAC doesn't even remotely compare to the NFL.
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#108
#108
lylsmorr said:
Kiffin was going to do big things here and was going to be brash while doing it. He was a bit erratic and would have been better served letting Chaney have a little more of the reigns, but you're kidding yourself if you think he wouldn't have turned us into a winner. Would he have gotten the program in trouble a number of times along the way? probably. Is he a prick? Yep. Dooley might be ok, but we don't know yet. The SEC is the toughest league in the nation...a lot different from the WAC. So people shouldn't get so offended when most people have their doubts about this coaching hire. I'm very pleased with most of the position hires like Hiestand, Baggett, and Wilcox though.
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I never said I don't think he was going to win here. I said that I just don't like the way he was going about doing so.

It's not like a coach from a lower conference has never moved up to a higher conference and been successful.

And I know, he had a 17-20 record in that conference and that's enough to raise question. But 16 of those losses were away losses, 8 of which were conference losses where they had to fly half way across the nation. And some of the other away losses were against the likes of: LSU twice, Auburn, a then good Kansas, Cal, and Ole Miss all on the road.

I'm not saying that a 17-20 record is acceptable, I'm just saying it would be tough for anyone to win in his situation. With the level of talent and the injuries he had in his last year(which I think I read somewhere on here that he had 21 guys that were in the top 2 spots injured).

I think he has the potential to be successful here. We will all just have to see in the next couple of years.

VKAman said:
1. We are not going to win 8 games this year.
2. Dooley is Tennessee's coach and I hope he does well. That said, there's no way he's a better hire than Kiffin based on resume. The WAC doesn't even remotely compare to the NFL.
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Unless you can see into the future there is no way of knowing that. If our team gives it their all every weekend, we have the possibility to upset a couple of teams. But, it could go the other way too, so who knows.

I think they were both shot in the dark hires. The Kiffin hire seemed to be working with the wins we brought in. But, I don't think it was going well having someone to represent our university and respect our traditions. They both had bad records in the league they played in and hopefully Dooley does as well or better than Kiffin.
 
#109
#109
zach0105 said:
Unless you can see into the future there is no way of knowing that. If our team gives it their all every weekend, we have the possibility to upset a couple of teams. But, it could go the other way too, so who knows.

I think they were both shot in the dark hires. The Kiffin hire seemed to be working with the wins we brought in. But, I don't think it was going well having someone to represent our university and respect our traditions. They both had bad records in the league they played in and hopefully Dooley does as well or better than Kiffin.
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We are replacing Crompton and Hardesty with Simms and Poole. After we lost our entire offensive line, not to mention one of the greatest players in Tennessee history. With a worse coaching staff and a much tougher schedule. And people think we're going to be better than last year? People watched us struggle to adjust to a new coach in losing to UCLA, and now some here are saying we'll beat Oregon in Dooley's first game? Really? Reality check coming soon...

A losing NFL coach is much less a "shot in the dark" than a losing WAC one. That's why Hamilton didn't hire Dooley last year when he could have. It's not like Dooley proved anything new by going 4-8 in 2009.
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#110
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VKAman said:
We are replacing Crompton and Hardesty with Simms and Poole. After we lost our entire offensive line, not to mention one of the greatest players in Tennessee history. With a worse coaching staff and a much tougher schedule. And people think we're going to be better than last year? People watched us struggle to adjust to a new coach in losing to UCLA, and now some here are saying we'll beat Oregon in Dooley's first game? Really? Reality check coming soon...

A losing NFL coach is much less a "shot in the dark" than a losing WAC one. That's why Hamilton didn't hire Dooley last year when he could have. It's not like Dooley proved anything new by going 4-8 in 2009.
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I never said we were gonna be better or worse. I said that's theres no way to predict exactly where we will be at the end of the year. You can make your predictions as to where we will be, but there's no certain way.

There is also no reason you have to say that this staff is indefinitely worse than the last. They haven't even coached one game in Orange and you are already saying they are worse.

And I never said we would beat Oregon. I'm actually predicting we will lose to Oregon for exactly that reason you stated, even though it's not our first game. But I also think we can win anywhere between 7-9 wins depending on how we play and what situations we take advantage of.

IMO a losing record is a losing record. Sure it was the NFL where it's tougher, but the caliber of player throughout the league is suppose to be on the same level. Same for any conference in the NCAA.

I actually believe Dooley has proven himself more than Kiffin has. Kiffin went to the NFL with a bad program, had a 4-12 season, then didn't improve the next season and got fired 4 games in. Dooley however, took a program that was a bottom feeder in the WAC, went 5-7 his first season, went 8-5 and won a bowl his second, then due to a lot of injuries went 4-8.

So to recap: Kiffin went to a team in the NFL, didn't really improve the team. Where Dooley went to a team in the WAC and improved their program as a whole.

I'm not saying Dooley is gonna be our savior or anything, I just think he deserves a chance before everyone goes calling for his head and calling him an awful coach.
 
#115
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JimBeamVolsFan said:
Look.....everyone's entitled to their opinion. You just have to remember what they say about opinions. In case you don't know.....write this down.

"Opinions are like ***holes.....everybody's got one, and they all stink."
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Not directed at you or anyone on here, but after working aroung bama fans for the last 22 years, I have had to change it slightly.

"Opinions are like ***holes.....everybody's got one, but not everybody is one."
 
#116
#116
DocVol said:
Are there really those here that are still calling for a 4-win season from Tennessee?! After the O&W game, it seems that all the Doomsday Vol Fans have come out. The team will be just fine and it wouldn't surprise me if the team finished with a better record that last year's squad. There are too many weapons on this team not to win a fair number of games--especially on offense. Even if we back our way into a few of them, we will be a good team. While it is still true that defense wins championships, a good offense will win you an number of games. Not to mention the great D-line that's shaping up, the secondary that shined yesterday, and special teams that CDD is determined to make priority. The O-line will come....and if it is not as soon as many would like, I'm confident that CDD will put together a much more organized and detailed scheme to play to the team's abilities (i.e. lining Bray up in the shotgun, screen passes, flare outs for Poole, quick west coast posts for our big receivers...). We will be okay...it's not quite time for Doomsday yet!

-DocVol
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i'm saying 5,6,or 7 wins at best. we just are not good.
 
#119
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lylsmorr said:
Kiffin was going to do big things here and was going to be brash while doing it. He was a bit erratic and would have been better served letting Chaney have a little more of the reigns, but you're kidding yourself if you think he wouldn't have turned us into a winner. Would he have gotten the program in trouble a number of times along the way? probably. Is he a prick? Yep. Dooley might be ok, but we don't know yet. The SEC is the toughest league in the nation...a lot different from the WAC. So people shouldn't get so offended when most people have their doubts about this coaching hire. I'm very pleased with most of the position hires like Hiestand, Baggett, and Wilcox though.
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^^^^ this, there is no doubt in my mind that kiffin would of turned us into a winner, i think thats why im so mad at him leaving. cause i feel, well there went our chances of getting back to the top sooner than later.now with dooley i think it will be later.i support dooley and hope he does great, but kiffin and that staff had the it factor that recruits love. i dont think or know that dooley has that.
 
#121
#121
zach0105 said:
You know what else would be a minor miracle?

You saying something positive on here for once.
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I'll be glad to as soon as Dooley gives me a good reason. I'm not going to blindly support someone who has done nothing to deserve this job.
 
#125
#125
SGMVols said:
I'll be glad to as soon as Dooley gives me a good reason. I'm not going to blindly support someone who has done nothing to deserve this job.
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What did Kiffin do to deserve the job last year?

VKAman said:
We are worse than we were last year, when we went 7-5 against an easier schedule. How hard is it to figure out?
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Because some of us refuse to think our players will just give up.

I think we can win 7 games with the possibility to steal a couple more. And I'm basing this on the heart I hope our players will show.
 
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