Doomsday Fans

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Athlete269 said:
Good post! I agree 100%.

It's funny, because a lot of the "doomsday fans" remind me of the Auburn fans last year after Chizik was hired. Well, Auburn turned out OK. We will too.

Dooley has a lot to prove, but no doubt he will have success at UT.

Go Vols!
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AU didn't turn out ok because of Chizik
 
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#77
#77
Athlete269 said:
Good post! I agree 100%.

It's funny, because a lot of the "doomsday fans" remind me of the Auburn fans last year after Chizik was hired. Well, Auburn turned out OK. We will too.

Dooley has a lot to prove, but no doubt he will have success at UT.

Go Vols!
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See what Auburn is saying in 3 years when Malzahn is gone, and people realize that Chizik cannot coach.
 
#78
#78
Volfan8282 said:
Kiffin definitely ran his mouth, but I don't remember him talking about how good we were going to be which is what you said. Those are 2 totally different things. I assumed by you saying that Dooley got LA Tech more attention that you meant that they were talked about outside of the state of Louisiana. But, I guess their popularity could've spread from Ruston to the entire northern part of the state... my apologies. I still highly doubt you knew much about Dooley's program down there prior to him being hired here.

Lance Thompson, Ed Orgeron, Eddie Gran, and Jim Chaney were all excellent hires. Gran, Orgeron, and Thompson are arguably 3 of the best position coaches in the business. Chaney proved incredibly useful in revamping the offense around Crompton last year. I don't know what you consider home run hires, but those are all great hires in my book. Also, in regard to recruiting, you can't win in the SEC if you don't recruit well. But, considering how bare Fulmer left the cupboards, you weren't going to see us go 10-2 last year just b/c Kiffin had a top 10 class. That's not how it works. It would've still taken 3-4 years to get it rolling.

As far as violations, I would've been upset had he not been getting secondary violations as I will be if Dooley doesn't get secondary violations. They don't mean anything unless you rack up just tons of them which Kiffin wasn't doing. As far as last year being similar for Kiffin and Dooley, maybe. The difference is that Dooley was in his 4th year as their coach. Who's fault was it that they had a lack of depth?
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I did mean out of the state of Louisiana, just not HUGE attention. More like the news mentioning that this was LA Tech's first bowl in 7 years in his second season. That's a decent accomplishment for a team that before was just a jv team for big names to warm up on. You are correct, though, aside from the mention of the bowl game I didn't know much about him. But I did know who he was.

And most of those guys are still here. I consider a home run hire someone who stays for longer than a year. What does it matter if we get an excellent coach that is only here a year.

By the fact that we had six in his first year after barely having any for as long as I can remember says a lot. They hadn't stacked up yet. But the keyword there is yet.

Dooley was only at LA Tech for three years. He went 5-7 his first, 8-5 in his second with a bowl win, and 4-8 his last. He had two years to build depth but there is only a certain amount of talent you can build being a second maybe third rate team recruiting in the same area of an SEC team.
 
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#80
Volfan8282 said:
Also, in regard to recruiting, you can't win in the SEC if you don't recruit well.
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Why do you assume that Dooley is not able to recruit. Like I said earlier he did an amazing job holding together a good class considering the circumstances, and grabbed a few good recruits too. He also was the recruiting coordinator under Saban at LSU for a great recruiting class or two as well.
 
#81
#81
zach0105 said:
Why do you assume that Dooley is not able to recruit. Like I said earlier he did an amazing job holding together a good class considering the circumstances, and grabbed a few good recruits too. He also was the recruiting coordinator under Saban at LSU for a great recruiting class or two as well.
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I'm not saying that he can't recruit. But, I don't put much stock in his recruiting under Saban. The majority of that was due to Saban, not Dooley. All I'm saying is that I don't know for sure that he can recruit well against LSU, Florida, and Alabama. I know that Kiffin could. Also, I thought Kiffin's staff had much better recruiters on it with Gran, Orgeron, Monte, Thompson, etc. They were proven recruiters. Do I know that Wilcox is an incredible recruiter? No. Could he be? Sure. But, I prefer the known to the unknown.
 
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#83
Volfan8282 said:
I'm not saying that he can't recruit. But, I don't put much stock in his recruiting under Saban. The majority of that was due to Saban, not Dooley. All I'm saying is that I don't know for sure that he can recruit well against LSU, Florida, and Alabama. I know that Kiffin could. Also, I thought Kiffin's staff had much better recruiters on it with Gran, Orgeron, Monte, Thompson, etc. They were proven recruiters. Do I know that Wilcox is an incredible recruiter? No. Could he be? Sure. But, I prefer the known to the unknown.
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Kiffin had some solid recruiters on his staff but most would not still be at UT
 
#85
#85
Volfan8282 said:
Also, I thought Kiffin's staff had much better recruiters on it with Gran, Orgeron, Monte, Thompson, etc. They were proven recruiters. Do I know that Wilcox is an incredible recruiter? No. Could he be? Sure. But, I prefer the known to the unknown.
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They were indeed proven recruiters. Fortunately we still have two guys left from that class. And like you said before your edit only time will tell.

But, I have faith in this staff. Even if they are not great coaches, which I think they are, the two new coaches have been given huge opportunities and I'm sure they will work their tails off for this University and it's fans.
 
#87
#87
Volfan8282 said:
I'm not saying that he can't recruit. But, I don't put much stock in his recruiting under Saban. The majority of that was due to Saban, not Dooley. All I'm saying is that I don't know for sure that he can recruit well against LSU, Florida, and Alabama. I know that Kiffin could. Also, I thought Kiffin's staff had much better recruiters on it with Gran, Orgeron, Monte, Thompson, etc. They were proven recruiters. Do I know that Wilcox is an incredible recruiter? No. Could he be? Sure. But, I prefer the known to the unknown.
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I'm calling BS on that. Saban was considered an up-and-comer when he took the LSU job, but hadn't won anything of note before he got there. He didn't even win a Big 11 championship at Michigan State.
 
#88
#88
Volfan8282 said:
I'm not saying that he can't recruit. But, I don't put much stock in his recruiting under Saban. The majority of that was due to Saban, not Dooley. All I'm saying is that I don't know for sure that he can recruit well against LSU, Florida, and Alabama. I know that Kiffin could. Also, I thought Kiffin's staff had much better recruiters on it with Gran, Orgeron, Monte, Thompson, etc. They were proven recruiters. Do I know that Wilcox is an incredible recruiter? No. Could he be? Sure. But, I prefer the known to the unknown.
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More BS. What kind of recruiting has Monte done over the past 20+ years? he was in the NFL.
 
#89
#89
EZE said:
I'm calling BS on that. Saban was considered an up-and-comer when he took the LSU job, but hadn't won anything of note before he got there. He didn't even win a Big 11 championship at Michigan State.
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Dooley was little more than a glorified errand boy for Saban. Without Saban, he would probably be coaching somewhere like Carson-Newman.
 
#90
#90
EZE said:
I'm calling BS on that. Saban was considered an up-and-comer when he took the LSU job, but hadn't won anything of note before he got there. He didn't even win a Big 11 championship at Michigan State.
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Saban helped vault UT to the #1 ranking in '98 by beating Ohio State on the road.
 
#91
#91
SGMVols said:
Dooley was little more than a glorified errand boy for Saban. Without Saban, he would probably be coaching somewhere like Carson-Newman.
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Geez, and it is well documented that Kiffin fetched coffee for Norm Chow. You have to start somewhere.
 
#92
#92
zach0105 said:
I did mean out of the state of Louisiana, just not HUGE attention. More like the news mentioning that this was LA Tech's first bowl in 7 years in his second season. That's a decent accomplishment for a team that before was just a jv team for big names to warm up on. You are correct, though, aside from the mention of the bowl game I didn't know much about him. But I did know who he was.

And most of those guys are still here. I consider a home run hire someone who stays for longer than a year. What does it matter if we get an excellent coach that is only here a year.

By the fact that we had six in his first year after barely having any for as long as I can remember says a lot. They hadn't stacked up yet. But the keyword there is yet.

Dooley was only at LA Tech for three years. He went 5-7 his first, 8-5 in his second with a bowl win, and 4-8 his last. He had two years to build depth but there is only a certain amount of talent you can build being a second maybe third rate team recruiting in the same area of an SEC team.
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Six is NOT a lot by any means. Check out the number that Georgia, Clemson, and Ohio State have racked up recently. I've researched this some, and every team in the SEC had multiple violations except for Kentucky and Arkansas (which both might have but I couldn't find anything). Trust me... it doesn't matter.

My bad on the number of years Dooley was at LA Tech. Either way, he had 3 recruiting classes. I know that LA Tech is in LSU country, but there are tons of great recruits in Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas. Plus, it's not like LA Tech is going after the same caliber talent that LSU is for the most part.
 
#93
#93
utvolpj said:
Kiffin had some solid recruiters on his staff but most would not still be at UT
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Who left besides Gran and Wilson? We still would've had Kiffin, Monte, Thompson, Orgeron, and probably one more stud recruiter who would've replaced Gran or Wilson.
 
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#94
#94
EZE said:
More BS. What kind of recruiting has Monte done over the past 20+ years? he was in the NFL.
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You're right. I'm sure when Monte Kiffin walks into a recruit's living room and names the players that he's coached and the games he's coached in, the recruit just rolls his eyes as if Monte Kiffins are a dime a dozen. You're clueless bud. Did you follow recruiting in the last 2 seasons? I highly doubt it or you would've remembered the number of recruits who loved Monte Kiffin.
 
#95
#95
Volfan8282 said:
1) My point is that he didn't set the world on fire down there. LA Tech finished 4-8 last year. Chalk that up to whatever you want, but that's the opposite of impressive. I don't care if you're at LA Tech or UT, you have to show steady improvement. We gave a guy who just came off of a 4-8 season the head coaching job at UT. I would say UT did Dooley quite a favor considering Dooley isn't bringing an all-world staff with him.

2) The fact that you would take Smith and Wilcox over Orgeron and Monte says all that I need to know about your knowledge of football. Ever entertained the idea that maybe we didn't have the athletes/depth to stop a spread offense last year? Doubt it. Ever thought about the fact that we only play one team a year (Florida) who runs a quirky offense? Doubt it. Monte has forgotten more about running a defense than Wilcox actually knows about it... and I'm not a Wilcox hater. But, he's not in the same league as Monte Kiffin. Sorry.

3) If I have the chance to hire Monte Kiffin as my DC, I'm doing it. I don't care if he's my dad or not. I've never understood the "hold his hand" comments.
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He took a team that bad to a bowl game. I'd say that meant alot to that program. ya he struggled too but he showed glimpses of what he's capable of. And how can you just insult his staff already? they havent even had a season to stamp themselves on this program and your already comparing. Kiffin, oregeron are both liars, cheap, and have no integrity. kiffin failed at oakland, and orgeron failed at ole miss, they can recruit ill give them that but thats all ill give them.


and as for wilcox not knowing anything about football. ask oklahoma, tcu, oregon, and some other top offenses about the defenses they had to play at BSU when wilcox was there. and wilcox didnt have as good as players as we have or have had. and we did have the defense to stop the spread last season, lost to florida and alabama by a combined 12 points douche. idk about you but thats pretty damn good. all our games were either really close or just blowouts. ole miss completely rapped coach O and his run defense, and va tech rapped monte and his secondary. not to mention memphis ran it down coach O run defense as well. wilcox was a steal!

chuck smith will be fine, he's coached great dlines and i believe a couple of top recruits really like him already. and as far as developing players goes, smith will do better as well. i read a article on govolsxtra.com tht had a quote of one of the dlineman says with coach O it was his way or no way at all. smith is letting them develop by letting do what they feel most comfortable with and excelleling at it! and smith bleeds orange!
 
#96
#96
Volfan8282 said:
You're right. I'm sure when Monte Kiffin walks into a recruit's living room and names the players that he's coached and the games he's coached in, the recruit just rolls his eyes as if Monte Kiffins are a dime a dozen. You're clueless bud. Did you follow recruiting in the last 2 seasons? I highly doubt it or you would've remembered the number of recruits who loved Monte Kiffin.
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And then the opposing school stepped into that same living room and reminded the recruit of Monte's age, and by the time they were a fifth-year senior, that Monte would be 75.

Please name those recruits that loved Monte in the last 2 years, and tell us where they ended up signing...
 
#97
#97
SmartVolFan said:
And then the opposing school stepped into that same living room and reminded the recruit of Monte's age, and by the time they were a fifth-year senior, that Monte would be 75.

Please name those recruits that loved Monte in the last 2 years, and tell us where they ended up signing...
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Yeah, look at how age has killed Joe Paterno's recruiting. Oh, wait...
 
#98
#98
IndianaVolunteer said:
He took a team that bad to a bowl game. I'd say that meant alot to that program. ya he struggled too but he showed glimpses of what he's capable of. And how can you just insult his staff already? they havent even had a season to stamp themselves on this program and your already comparing. Kiffin, oregeron are both liars, cheap, and have no integrity. kiffin failed at oakland, and orgeron failed at ole miss, they can recruit ill give them that but thats all ill give them.


and as for wilcox not knowing anything about football. ask oklahoma, tcu, oregon, and some other top offenses about the defenses they had to play at BSU when wilcox was there. and wilcox didnt have as good as players as we have or have had. and we did have the defense to stop the spread last season, lost to florida and alabama by a combined 12 points douche. idk about you but thats pretty damn good. all our games were either really close or just blowouts. ole miss completely rapped coach O and his run defense, and va tech rapped monte and his secondary. not to mention memphis ran it down coach O run defense as well. wilcox was a steal!

chuck smith will be fine, he's coached great dlines and i believe a couple of top recruits really like him already. and as far as developing players goes, smith will do better as well. i read a article on govolsxtra.com tht had a quote of one of the dlineman says with coach O it was his way or no way at all. smith is letting them develop by letting do what they feel most comfortable with and excelleling at it! and smith bleeds orange!
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I'm too tired to address all of the ignorance in this post. First of all, it's "raped," not "rapped." Alabama does not run a spread offense genius. They had a few offensive sets where they ran a quirky offense, but it's not their main offense by any stretch. The Florida game wasn't really that close. If Tebow doesn't fumble, then it's a 17-20 point loss which I was still impressed with considering the talent difference and the problems that their offense presents. You have to have depth and serious athleticism to compete with Florida's offense. Alabama ran more of a conventional offense which is more about scheming than personnel.

Orgeron wasn't our head coach. So, I have no clue what your reference to his problems at Ole Miss has to do with his job at UT. Kiffin did not fail at Oakland. Regardless of both of those wrong statements by you, the most glaring problem with your failed attempts at coherent thoughts is that you can't see the huge strides the team took from 2008 to 2009. But, why am I not surprised?

I did not say that Wilcox doesn't know anything about defense or football. I said he's not in the same league as Monte Kiffin, and he's not. But, way to completely not read and/or comprehend what I wrote. Kudos bud.
 
#100
#100
SmartVolFan said:
And then the opposing school stepped into that same living room and reminded the recruit of Monte's age, and by the time they were a fifth-year senior, that Monte would be 75.

Please name those recruits that loved Monte in the last 2 years, and tell us where they ended up signing...
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Darren Myles, Janzen Jackson, and Greg King are three off the top of my head. We also would've gotten Ahmad Dixon this year. I'm sure there are others, but I'm not in research mode right now.
 
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