Dooleys Talent Evaluation....

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#26
the OP is optimistic which is great but we haven't seen anything from these players yet. Don't you think it's a little premature?? W and L's will tell the truth about Dooley for better or worse. 6-6, 7-5 or 8-4 just won't cut it so he better find some studs.
 
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RockyTop411 said:
over/under 69 more threads about CDD Recruiting, CCM Recruiting, Lane Kiffin, and Lane Kiffins wife.
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Mistake number 1: it shouldn't be a whole number cause there's a push that could occur. 69.5 is more like it.

Mistake number two: obviously over. :)
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I'm not so sure most people are worried about his ability to evaluate talent.

I think people are worried about his ability to attract and sign the best players when going head-to-head with the likes of Bama and Florida.
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He better be an ace evaluator or it is over before it starts for Dooley. He laid the foundation for success or failure with his 2011 class....and he knows it.
 
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PA Vol said:
I'm not so sure most people are worried about his ability to evaluate talent.

I think people are worried about his ability to attract and sign the best players when going head-to-head with the likes of Bama and Florida.
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I'd be more worried about Tennessee's ability to win a battle against Florida and Bama. We haven't won anything in a long time. That's not Dooley's fault. And if you think we would hire a Saban after Dooley, keep dreaming.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
People keep complaining about the "3" stars that Dooley is going hard after & the ones he took the last class, IMO looks like Dooley actually knows how to evaluate talent unlike the "coaches" that post on here.

Tom Smith - offered & committed at camp, Florida, Miami, & Michigan came after him late into the season

Jordan Williams - offered at camp & committed during the season, Florida & Miami pushed hard for him late in the season

Brian Randolph - offered & committed early last summer, was named Gatorade Player Of The Year in the state of GA & also voted the most feared hitter in the state. Disgrace he didnt earn a 4* rating

Christian Harris - offered & committed at Jr. day, Clemson & Georgia Tech came after him hard during the season

Mack Crowder - offered by Dooley, Florida came in right after & tried to snag.

Justin Coleman - offered & committed to UT over UK, some people actually complained about it, but then he picks up a 4* rating after a great SR season & now everyone thinks he was a great pickup

Juda Parker - showed out at a camp, Dooley offers he commits on the spot even though he didnt end up a Vol he was named a Army All-American & played good in the game.

Imani Cross - committed at Jr day & some people didnt like it, now he is getting courted by other BCS schools.

Khalid Henderson - came to camp earned an offer & then committed a week later, now rated a 4* on ESPN & everyone thinks he can contribute now.

But Dooley is in over his head & cant recruit all he wants are good kids that have high GPA's, he isnt worried about getting talent. :eek:lol:
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These players haven't played a down yet. We don't know how good of a talent evaluator Dooley is. Now should some of these guys be good players for us, yes, but we just don't know. All that matters is if he can win games, period...
 
#33
#33
There are a lot more threads and posts like this than there are posts criticizing the recruiting. The sane approach is not the hypercritical one, nor is it the OP's. There are plenty of college coaches who CANNOT and DO NOT recruit well enough to win, and if --BIG IF-- that is true of Dooley, then it needs to be said. I don't think it is. I suspect he really is getting good players, but it really is too soon to say.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
the OP is optimistic which is great but we haven't seen anything from these players yet. Don't you think it's a little premature?? W and L's will tell the truth about Dooley for better or worse. 6-6, 7-5 or 8-4 just won't cut it so he better find some studs.
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Practice what you preach brother! Don't you think it's a bit premature to always criticize Dooley AND his recruits before they step foot on the field just because he grabs someone less than a 4 star? Same old tired story with you...
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Fijivol72 said:
the OP is optimistic which is great but we haven't seen anything from these players yet. Don't you think it's a little premature?? W and L's will tell the truth about Dooley for better or worse. 6-6, 7-5 or 8-4 just won't cut it so he better find some studs.
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Good post... so long as you are willing to flip it around too. It is premature to say they can't play or declare Dooley a failure.

There are ALOT of people...ummm like you... who have been "premature" with their presumptions and declarations concerning what Dooley would or would not do at UT.
 
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Look at Florida, they rack up on 5 stars and then half the time you never hear of them cause they never see the field or bust....or some end up transferring or get kicked off. I trust Dooley. He goes for needs, not wants necessarily
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sjt18 said:
Good post... so long as you are willing to flip it around too. It is premature to say they can't play or declare Dooley a failure.

There are ALOT of people...ummm like you... who have been "premature" with their presumptions and declarations concerning what Dooley would or would not do at UT.
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I understand where both sides are coming from. Dooley is recruiting good/underrated players. But teams like Bama and our other rivals are in on gamechangers or they are getting these impact recruits to committ/sign. Landon Collins and Deon Bush are examples of these type of players. Bama is on both of these players. Auburn has Holsey committed and Geno Smith on the fence. They are also in on Deon Bush. Then you have Cyrus Jones that Bama and Auburn are in on. We've got to get these type of playmakers. We have D.Rogers and Hunter on offense as examples on offense of the type of talent we need to bring in year in and year out. We can win with the guys Dooley is bringing in it's just less of a margin for error out there. A.Richardson, J.Williams, Lane, Byron Moore, Maggitt, Aj Johnson and Justin Coleman are examples of the type of players we need year in and year out. That's just 7 out of 25. I understand we will not bring in all 4/5 star recruits but we have to bring in more. The other players are solid in this past class but I want more studs myself. We need to stay loaded period. Yes it's a complete rebuild but you can't start building and only concentrate on one part of the team. The only unit I'm comfortable with is the OL. We need more WRs, DBs(really need CBs), LBs, DTs especially, DEs, and RBs(3 unproven isn't enough for me). I do feel the 2013 class will be Dooley's best class. As long as we put a good product on the field. Now if Dooley doesn't progress I hope we hire a big time coach. I'm not with all this waiting hahahahaha.
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#39
#39
No question UT needs talent to win. With the recruiting svcs, you get politics and marketing along with objective evaluations. It is a mistake to hang too much on them. They mean something... but not everything or even as much as some here seem to think.

I agree that UT cannot give DD the time that many here suggest. I like him but IMO he needs to make some noise by '12. His way either shows signs of working big or else you hand it to someone else.
 
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Florida and Alabama recruits nothing but 4 and 5 star players some of whom will bust. We recruit primarily 3 and a few 4 star players. Fl. and Alabama can afford to lose 30 % of their class to the bust column while we can afford to lose about 10%. The point here is Dooley by chosing to recruit his brilliant evaluation rather than the consensus evaluation just has absolutely no room for error. It is a stupid way to recruit unless you just can't compete as a recruiter. Just that simple.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
The point here is Dooley by chosing to recruit his brilliant evaluation rather than the consensus evaluation. It is a stupid way to recruit.
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Read what you just said. It's stupid for a coach to trust his own evaluation over Rivals?
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Florida and Alabama recruits nothing but 4 and 5 star players some of whom will bust. We recruit primarily 3 and a few 4 star players. Fl. and Alabama can afford to lose 30 % of their class to the bust column while we can afford to lose about 10%. The point here is Dooley by chosing to recruit his brilliant evaluation rather than the consensus evaluation just has absolutely no room for error. It is a stupid way to recruit unless you just can't compete as a recruiter. Just that simple.
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This is false. Someone posted lsu has avg 14.5 4* past four yrs Dooley has avg. 12.
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Incipient said:
Read what you just said. It's stupid for a coach to trust his own evaluation over Rivals?
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I think everyone on here understands Dooley is taking either a defeatist or unorthodox view regarding recruiting. We are looking for that perverbial needle in a haystack rather than going after many of the consensus highly rated players. That doesn't mean rival's necessarily but who other top teams are looking at. Maybe we should say that the Saban's of the world know a little more about talent that his minion Dooley. Does that clear up my position for you.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I think everyone on here understands Dooley is taking either a defeatist or unorthodox view regarding recruiting. We are looking for that perverbial needle in a haystack rather than going after many of the consensus highly rated players. That doesn't mean rival's necessarily but who other top teams are looking at. Maybe we should say that the Saban's of the world know a little more about talent that his minion Dooley. Does that clear up my position for you.
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Take me off your "everyone" list please. Your position is clear. It's in the booster seat in the middle of the very back.
 
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jmoore_21 said:
IMO those guys wont wow you or be studs, I think they are depth fillers.
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If there were good news on those four guys, you'd think somebody would have noticed and commented during spring scrimmages. We need players in the defensive rotation who can win tough ball games, and they are on deck.
 
#47
#47
From Rivals.

2010 - 5*=1; 4*=12; #9 overall
2011 - 4*=12; #13 overall

Nothing unorthodox there.
 
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#48
#48
Talent to be fully reviewed at the end of the season. Let's get some W's.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I think everyone on here understands Dooley is taking either a defeatist or unorthodox view regarding recruiting. We are looking for that perverbial needle in a haystack rather than going after many of the consensus highly rated players. That doesn't mean rival's necessarily but who other top teams are looking at. Maybe we should say that the Saban's of the world know a little more about talent that his minion Dooley. Does that clear up my position for you.
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You can take me off the "everyone" list as well. Only you and a few others believe this horse crap that you continue to spew on here.
 
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#50
Lets not kid ourselves..when he was first hired he had little time to bring in recruits, yet he brought in DaRick, Hunter, Neal, and Propst with time against his side. Oh thats 2- 4 stars, a 3 that should have been a 4 in Propst, and a 5 star in Rogers. All great young players that look like the future of our team. He sold me when he did that last season. :eek:k:
 
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