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#51
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bleedorange0037 said:
No, but the value of a 5th year senior QB starting games for us at some point is being seriously undervalued by some on here as well. It's not like we're competing for a championship this year or anything.
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It's not like Worley is the last QB we'll ever get either. Players come and go, you do what you can to win now and worry about tomorrow when it gets here.
 
#52
#52
Vercingetorix said:
If you could tell me right now that A) Worley is going to be a really good quarterback and B) Tennessee is going to be otherwise loaded and poised for a 2015 championship run and C) it's absolutely a choice between fifth-year senior Worley and some unprepared redshirt freshman at QB four years from now, then yeah, I might say that going 4-8 instead of 6-6 is worth it. But all of those are hypotheticals. It's hypothetical stacked on hypothetical versus actual tangible losses right now.

It's just too far away and there are too many variables and we have no idea how it's going to play out. We're as far away from 2015 as we are from the Mike Shula era at Alabama.
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True. I just don't see the tangible losses making all that much of a difference this year. Whether we go 4-8 or 6-6, we still sucked this year. Just, at 6-6, we get to see the team suck one extra time in a bowl game. It just seems to me that attempting to stack the deck in our favor in the coming years is more important than winning any of the games left of our schedule.
 
#53
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bleedorange0037 said:
No, but the value of a 5th year senior QB starting games for us at some point is being seriously undervalued by some on here as well. It's not like we're competing for a championship this year or anything.
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Then why don't we just forfeit all the games to avoid injury. Hell, let's just skip next season too so that we can red shirt the entire team and really save all of our energy for 2013.
 
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Simms left them no choice but to pull him, it wasn't fair to the team. Should have pulled him sooner. They'll have to scale down the playbook, but maybe Worley can hit wide open receivers. Simms was killing his team with bad decisions and even worse throws..
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
True. I just don't see the tangible losses making all that much of a difference this year. Whether we go 4-8 or 6-6, we still sucked this year. Just, at 6-6, we get to see the team suck one extra time in a bowl game. It just seems to me that attempting to stack the deck in our favor in the coming years is more important than winning any of the games left of our schedule.
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Just to name one obvious example, how do think you recruiting would be impacted by going 4-8 (with losses to Vandy and MTSU or Kentucky) instead of 6-6 with a bowl game? Suddenly you're not selling a growing program anymore with tons of talented young players and opportunity for playing time; suddenly it's a deathwatch. The next five games are the bridge to next season; it's what they have to build on. It's nonsense to say, "Well, we're not going to play in Atlanta, so none of it matters and we might as well lose them all."
 
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#58
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VolunteerTitan3 said:
Hey, didnt mean Bray wasn't going to the NFL, he's the best QB we've had since #16 if you ask my opinion i just wanna see him back out on the field. :peace2:
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You'll definitely see him back out on the field...just not necessarily this season due to his *broken" thumb and subsequent surgery. I think that depends on Worley's performance against USC and MTSU.
 
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#60
When CDD first put Worley in the game I was PO'd and thinking the coach was either acting out of his own emotions or allowing the team's lack of faith in Simms to sway him to make a pointless and rash decision. Now that I've thought about it the burning of Worley's RS isn't such a bad idea and here's why.

1) Worley will be either the back up to Bray next year or the starter if he was able to be that much better. Nothing has actually changed there. So getting experience this year can only help in preparing Worley for whichever role he'll end up with next season and the future.

2) If he had redshirted this year AND IF Bray stayed through his senior year then Worley would have 2 years to be the starter... that's assuming he stayed at UT for the entire time AND was willing to be that patient AND that he wasn't overtaken by a recruit not yet here. A lot of uncertainties there. AND if Bray goes pro after next year then we'll still have Worley for up to 2 years even without the RS.

3) Almost anything has to be better than Simms at this point. Nance? Heck even Matt Milton, he was a high school qb. (Not really being serious, but...)

4) We haven't seen what Worley can actually do. All we know is he was a heck of a high school qb. What if he comes in for the USCe game and is really good.

5) Ole Miss played Arky real close today. Texas Tech upset OU. USCe has a frosh qb and is without Lattimore. Vandy is looking pretty tuff so we better have our act together by then or the days of getting pushed around by LSU and BAMA may seem like fond memories.


All of this adds up to... on any given saturday a team can win or lose. Nothing is for sure. If Worley steps up and sparks the team then wins over USCe and Arky are possible as well as MTSU, Vandy, and UK. If somehow the unbelievable happens and we did have 8 wins plus a bowl win that would be an incredible turn around to this season.

Keeping Worley's redshirt only means we MIGHT have had him at UT for an extra year. Then again we might not. Considering how tentative CDD's hold over this program is right now I think it's better for him to go ahead and use all the talent that he's got on tap. Peterman and hopefully other excellent qb's will be here for the future.

This is my 2 cents as flawed as they may be.
 
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wildemanvol said:
When CDD first put Worley in the game I was PO'd and thinking the coach was either acting out of his own emotions or allowing the team's lack of faith in Simms to sway him to make a pointless and rash decision. Now that I've thought about it the burning of Worley's RS isn't such a bad idea and here's why.

1) Worley will be either the back up to Bray next year or the starter if he was able to be that much better. Nothing has actually changed there. So getting experience this year can only help in preparing Worley for whichever role he'll end up with next season and the future.

2) If he had redshirted this year AND IF Bray stayed through his senior year then Worley would have 2 years to be the starter... that's assuming he stayed at UT for the entire time AND was willing to be that patient AND that he wasn't overtaken by a recruit not yet here. A lot of uncertainties there. AND if Bray goes pro after next year then we'll still have Worley for up to 2 years even without the RS.

3) Almost anything has to be better than Simms at this point. Nance? Heck even Matt Milton, he was a high school qb. (Not really being serious, but...)

4) We haven't seen what Worley can actually do. All we know is he was a heck of a high school qb. What if he comes in for the USCe game and is really good.

5) Ole Miss played Arky real close today. Texas Tech upset OU. USCe has a frosh qb and is without Lattimore. Vandy is looking pretty tuff so we better have our act together by then or the days of getting pushed around by LSU and BAMA may seem like fond memories.


All of this adds up to... on any given saturday a team can win or lose. Nothing is for sure. If Worley steps up and sparks the team then wins over USCe and Arky are possible as well as MTSU, Vandy, and UK. If somehow the unbelievable happens and we did have 8 wins plus a bowl win that would be an incredible turn around to this season.

Keeping Worley's redshirt only means we MIGHT have had him at UT for an extra year. Then again we might not. Considering how tentative CDD's hold over this program is right now I think it's better for him to go ahead and use all the talent that he's got on tap. Peterman and hopefully other excellent qb's will be here for the future.

This is my 2 cents as flawed as they may be.
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+1...Burn that precious red shirt. I am serious.:clapping:
 
#62
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wildemanvol said:
When CDD first put Worley in the game I was PO'd and thinking the coach was either acting out of his own emotions or allowing the team's lack of faith in Simms to sway him to make a pointless and rash decision. Now that I've thought about it the burning of Worley's RS isn't such a bad idea and here's why.

1) Worley will be either the back up to Bray next year or the starter if he was able to be that much better. Nothing has actually changed there. So getting experience this year can only help in preparing Worley for whichever role he'll end up with next season and the future.

2) If he had redshirted this year AND IF Bray stayed through his senior year then Worley would have 2 years to be the starter... that's assuming he stayed at UT for the entire time AND was willing to be that patient AND that he wasn't overtaken by a recruit not yet here. A lot of uncertainties there. AND if Bray goes pro after next year then we'll still have Worley for up to 2 years even without the RS.

3) Almost anything has to be better than Simms at this point. Nance? Heck even Matt Milton, he was a high school qb. (Not really being serious, but...)

4) We haven't seen what Worley can actually do. All we know is he was a heck of a high school qb. What if he comes in for the USCe game and is really good.

5) Ole Miss played Arky real close today. Texas Tech upset OU. USCe has a frosh qb and is without Lattimore. Vandy is looking pretty tuff so we better have our act together by then or the days of getting pushed around by LSU and BAMA may seem like fond memories.


All of this adds up to... on any given saturday a team can win or lose. Nothing is for sure. If Worley steps up and sparks the team then wins over USCe and Arky are possible as well as MTSU, Vandy, and UK. If somehow the unbelievable happens and we did have 8 wins plus a bowl win that would be an incredible turn around to this season.

Keeping Worley's redshirt only means we MIGHT have had him at UT for an extra year. Then again we might not. Considering how tentative CDD's hold over this program is right now I think it's better for him to go ahead and use all the talent that he's got on tap. Peterman and hopefully other excellent qb's will be here for the future.

This is my 2 cents as flawed as they may be.
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AMEN!!!!!!! Well stated!!!!!!! I agree 100%!!!!!:clapping:
 
#63
#63
The way things are going if things do not turn around, dooley will not be here in four years. Why would he worry about four years from now when he needs results in the next two.
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#65
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rickyyrs said:
Let's get real here. We have nobody that can leave in 3 years for the NFL.
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Nonsense. A healthy Bray and/or Hunter could put up numbers their junior year that would get them drafted. I just hope Dooley is gone after 3 years.
 
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#66
bleedorange0037 said:
What an idiot. He should worry about redshirts because it gives us stability at the QB position for an extra year. What happens the rest of this year makes no difference anyway.
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Good point Redshirt help with building depth for the future . We need Worley for more then 1/2 years after Bray leaves
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#67
#67
UGADawg4Life said:
We'll see how much you like the NFL when Bray and Hunter skip their senior year.
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I love the NFL, and I will cheer them on where-ever they go, but if there is no NFL then Hunter is running track and Bray is just a tall skinny dude. The reward of the NFL is what makes today's college football so good.
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#68
bleedorange0037 said:
But like I said in the other thread, that mindset is in direct contradiction to what DD has been preaching the whole time he's been here. He's talked and talked about laying the foundation for success, and what can be a stronger foundation that KNOWING you are set at your most important position for the next 4 seasons? IMO that is more important that going to some crap bowl in mid-December. I know about the extra practices and all, but stability and experience at QB isn't something you have all that often. We had it lined up pretty nicely going into the season, but pissed it all away tonight.
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And you know there are no more QB's after Bray and Worley that we can get.
 
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#70
I think he's spending the future equity of the team's stability at qb for stability now. It seems to me that for CDD to describe the team as "fragile" then he must believe that without something to spark their sense of hope this team could slide into a funk that might have ramifications reaching past some "mid december crap bowl". If Worley comes in and does well and get's the team rolling and maybe steals a win from USCe or Arky or both it would be enough to keep the team going through into next year. With Simms the team was ready to slit it's wrists and jump off a cliff while washing it's mouth out with a shotgun. CDD is doing emergency psychiatric triage.
 
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#71
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Deez24 said:
Hell we really don't know how good Worley is. But we do know he HAS to be better than Simms, We need wins play the kid1
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Fans might think they know but no way does staff know things get better with Worley. They know what they have seen from spring until now and it was not as good Simms. They know he can hand off on the dive play in a game. Outside of that, they don't know how he will react under the lights with the game in his hand.

they have no idea if he will be better than Simms or not. Will find out next Saturday night because he will get a chance to play.
 
#72
#72
tnvols72 said:
Dooley: "These guys don't worry about staying four years any more, so why should we worry about redshirts?"
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I cringed when I saw this quote. Other schools will use this against us by saying that CDD doesn't care about the kids' careers and that he has no plan in place to further their development. It is one thing to burn a redshirt when necessary, but another when the redshirt you burn is a top-ranked QB who now projects to have only one year left after the current starter returns from injury. Won't necessarily play out this way, but the fact that it may will make it that much tougher for CDD to convince the next top-ranked QB to come to Tennessee. Terrible move, IMO.
 
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State of the Vols said:
I cringed when I saw this quote. Other schools will use this against us by saying that CDD doesn't care about the kids' careers and that he has no plan in place to further their development. It is one thing to burn a redshirt when necessary, but another when the redshirt you burn is a top-ranked QB who now projects to have only one year left after the current starter returns from injury. Won't necessarily play out this way, but the fact that it may will make it that much tougher for CDD to convince the next top-ranked QB to come to Tennessee. Terrible move, IMO.
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Drama queen. The players we want to recruit don't want to redshirt anyway. Playing worley so the team can win games means he can't convince a top qb to come to tn? Wrong. It means a player knows he's going to get a shot if he deserves it or it becomes necessity, and you have a coach that isn't going to stay the course when the course is doomed. You are talking about hypothetical scenarios for 3-4 yrs down the road. Absolutely zero coaches in college football take that into consideration when trying to win games in the middle of the season.
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#74
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LWSVOL said:
Fans might think they know but no way does staff know things get better with Worley. They know what they have seen from spring until now and it was not as good Simms. They know he can hand off on the dive play in a game. Outside of that, they don't know how he will react under the lights with the game in his hand.

they have no idea if he will be better than Simms or not. Will find out next Saturday night because he will get a chance to play.
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If the coaching staff has no idea whether he is currently better than Simms, does that mean that they have simply not been paying attention in practice all year? That makes no sense to me; surely they thought Simms was the best choice going into the bama game. If they intended to get Worley some experience in a big game in front of a hostile crowd, why not put him in in the third quarter or early in the fourth when the outcome of the game was no longer in doubt? The way this happened smacks of desperation.
 
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