Dooley's First 5 weeks

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Fijivol72

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As I write this I must state up front that I was not thrilled with the Dooley hire. I felt it was a reach at best and pure panic at worst. He impresses with euphorisms but frankly I have seen very little substance from the guy including the hiring of staff, his interaction with media(lets make that lack of) and what concerns me the most he and this current crop of coaches and whether they get how to recruit at a major school. Look at the record, Kiffin did a great job as much as that pains me in getting the large number of early enrollees and frankly that is what made this class, nothing Dooley or his staff did. He got DaRick by giving away a schooly which I would have done too and he got Justin Hunter but really that is it. Now he has decided he and his la tech recruiting coordinator need to evaluate more while other coaches are making offers and getting commits. Lets face it he has been relegated to having to take left overs at la tech and maybe he thinks not contacting recruits or sending them signals is a good thing, while he gets no pub for the University. This staff of misfits (leaving Chaney, Thompson and Baggett out) is about as weak as it comes and I am including Chuck who has not proven anything from a coaching standpoint although he was one helluva player. My point to all this is Dooley needs to get out and get the big orange name at least some pub and he sure as hell needs to start contacting for 2011 or our butt is toast. And Terry Joseph over Lance thompson as RC is a friggin joke, someone tell me what Joseph has done compared to what Thompson did at Alabama....another dooley folly
 
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I'm not sure where you get the basis for this argument. I'm not saying I disagreen totally but you have to give the guy a chance. He's completely opposite of X in his dealings with people and the media. First and foremost, he's not an outright liar like is predecessor and secondly, he believes in the process similar to Nick Saban. I'm not saying he will have the same success, but if he uses a similar formula and executes his plan, then good things will happen. Most of the time, especially in Saban's early career, many of the coaches were no name at best. Before the Tennessee hire, did you ever hear of Derek Dooley? Probably not, and he was one of Saban's coaches for over 5 years at 2 different jobs. There are many more examples out there but just hang in there give this guy a chance and let's see what kind of product he puts on the field. My guess is it will be solid fundamentally, disciplined, and a team we can be proud of.
 
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with your last statement about a fundamentally sound team that will give effort. However in the SEC that gets you at best 6-6 and most alum of which I am one nor fans will accept that. X had one thought that I totally agreed with its all about recruiting stupid, just like in Clinton years its the economy stupid. In that regard I really have seen nothing that inspires me. Maybe it's the silent but deadly approach but look at our competitors and their early commits versus us. My point was even the ones committed have bailed because they have not been communicated with. Those last two words are what pisses me off. I am willing to give him a chance but I believe that questioning some of these moves is fair game. PS In the above article i forgot Stone as a good recruit Dooley got but again without the EE this class would have sucked bigtime.
 
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And you probably peeked at your presents before Christmas. I, like you did not like the fact we did not get a GREAT football coach to lead the Orange. In retrospect I think we are not ready for the GREAT ones. We need some stability in this coaching group and I think we have that in Dooley and Company. No they are not easily recognize by the everyday football fan. However, people who know football will appreciate what these men have done and with the caliber of student athletes they will be able to get at Tennessee I believe they will succeed. As for recruiting I don't think you have given this group enough time for your heavy criticism.
 
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RC does not mean "Best recruiter". It gives LT more time on the road (which is a good thing)
 
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Fijivol72 said:
with your last statement about a fundamentally sound team that will give effort. However in the SEC that gets you at best 6-6 and most alum of which I am one nor fans will accept that. X had one thought that I totally agreed with its all about recruiting stupid, just like in Clinton years its the economy stupid. In that regard I really have seen nothing that inspires me. Maybe it's the silent but deadly approach but look at our competitors and their early commits versus us. My point was even the ones committed have bailed because they have not been communicated with. Those last two words are what pisses me off. I am willing to give him a chance but I believe that questioning some of these moves is fair game. PS In the above article i forgot Stone as a good recruit Dooley got but again without the EE this class would have sucked bigtime.
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If I recall correctly, that was Saban's first year record at Bama which included an inexplicable loss to La-Monroe. I'm glad you remembered Stone as a good recruit because I was about to chime in with that.... My point is this: Dooley came into a VERY untenable position and salvaged a recruiting class in about as competent a way as anyone in the country could have done. I disagree with your assessment of our new staff. While the names aren't well known outside of the coaching community they ARE well regarded within it. The easiest thing in the world is to be negative, and your OP is very much so. Should Dooley have a mediocre season in 2010 (and he probably will) I expect you'll be among the first people on the "Fire Dooley" bandwagon, although it actually sounds as though you've already punched that ticket.... I'm going to give the guy a fair shake (which would be three seasons) to prove himself. If, at the end of 2012 he hasn't shown that he has what it takes to get the job done THEN I'll be willing to criticize him but to start bagging on the guy before he's even coached a single game at UT is unfair.
 
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the ones we had committed have bailed? It was one guy who the staff obviously did not think fit their plans for the future.

Recruiting is a relationship business. Dooley hasn't been in place long enough to have those relationships built yet. But maybe you're right, he should be able to convince these young men to attend UT after just one phone call (which he actually can't even do right now).
 
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I went on youtube one time and looked at a little Q&A and one answer that I found interesting, Dooley said that when it comes to hiring a staff every hire for a staff doesn't neccessarily have to a headliner kind of hire, he also that a staff is like a team everyone works together, and last but not least he said that by the time when hiring a staff is done we'll have one heck of a team (aka one heck of a staff).
 
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Really, I hope you experience the same scrutiny at your occupation. CDD was put in at best the worst situation possible in a coaching change.

1st "X" was barely hanging onto this recruiting class because all of the NCAA rumors.

2nd When "X" left 2x was telling recruits they had a place in LA, don’t go to school.

3rd The wait to find a coach that wasn’t going to bolt next year, someone that would understand what "bleeding orange" is all about. We missed on the last, didn’t want to make the same mistake.

4th Finish what was started "I don’t remember a strong line backing group coming in" even though we had the said coaches. Big hole, still big hole. And if you remember "X" still couldn’t out recruit the UF and BAMA..They were holding their own, even with the NEWS releases.

5th I don’t really think you even have a good take on this coaching group until next year "X" just handed out letters with or without fully intending of signing kids and bumping them later, so maybe we should really do some recruiting to find the character before we give the letters out, you think!

6th The only thing you will take out of this class and coaching staff, is if they can coach these kids up, My vote is give them a chance and I think you will be supprised!
 
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We know nothing about how Dooley will handle an SEC caliber program. Judging him now is an excercise in futility. What we have to do is the hardest thing a fan can do... wait and see.

Calling anything he's done to this point folly seems premature and unfair to me, but we are all entitled to our opinions...
 
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Fijivol72 said:
with your last statement about a fundamentally sound team that will give effort. However in the SEC that gets you at best 6-6 and most alum of which I am one nor fans will accept that. X had one thought that I totally agreed with its all about recruiting stupid, just like in Clinton years its the economy stupid. In that regard I really have seen nothing that inspires me. Maybe it's the silent but deadly approach but look at our competitors and their early commits versus us. My point was even the ones committed have bailed because they have not been communicated with. Those last two words are what pisses me off. I am willing to give him a chance but I believe that questioning some of these moves is fair game. PS In the above article i forgot Stone as a good recruit Dooley got but again without the EE this class would have sucked bigtime.
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Fundamentally sound team with Top 10 recruiting the last 2 years and hopefully again next year = wins in the SEC and not 6-6...ie Phillip Fulmer's teams in the mid 90's. I'm too am an Alumnus of this great university and most know that recruiting is the lifeblood of the program. Questioning anything at this point is really not fair game, because Dooley has yet to coach a game in the SEC. Stone, Rogers, keeping Hunter, among others plus keeping the EE's from leaving was huge in my opinion.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
We know nothing about how Dooley will handle an SEC caliber program. Judging him now is an excercise in futility. What we have to do is the hardest thing a fan can do... wait and see.

Calling anything he's done to this point folly seems premature and unfair to me, but we are all entitled to our opinions...
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Oh nonsense, the sign of a great coach is one who gets in front of the camera for us everyday
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90VOL said:
I'm not sure where you get the basis for this argument. I'm not saying I disagreen totally but you have to give the guy a chance. He's completely opposite of X in his dealings with people and the media. First and foremost, he's not an outright liar like is predecessor and secondly, he believes in the process similar to Nick Saban. I'm not saying he will have the same success, but if he uses a similar formula and executes his plan, then good things will happen. Most of the time, especially in Saban's early career, many of the coaches were no name at best. Before the Tennessee hire, did you ever hear of Derek Dooley? Probably not, and he was one of Saban's coaches for over 5 years at 2 different jobs. There are many more examples out there but just hang in there give this guy a chance and let's see what kind of product he puts on the field. My guess is it will be solid fundamentally, disciplined, and a team we can be proud of.
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Being a Vol stuck in Bama, the Bamers were upset from the moment of Saban's hire up to the NC. that ole st. nick will not let his coaches talk to the press and is very secretive. Let's not forget where CDD spent 7 years. Saban seems to have figured something out. CDD is younger, more charismatic, and more flexible than nick. I have been impressed with everything thus far. Let CDD do his own thing and remember there is a new QB & a lack of depth at DT/LB.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
We know nothing about how Dooley will handle an SEC caliber program. Judging him now is an excercise in futility. What we have to do is the hardest thing a fan can do... wait and see.

Calling anything he's done to this point folly seems premature and unfair to me, but we are all entitled to our opinions...
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Agreed.
 
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there was a post on vn that showed the rank of each recruiting class for all sec school over the past 6/7 years and the retention rates of said classes. Too many factors involved to pull too many conclusions from that data. But I did see one thing in common between the teams that won the nat championship the last four years.

Each team that won had two recruiting classes in the top ten in the previuos four years and the retention rates on those classes were 70% or better.

I took a couple things from that. One, that you do have to get top talent and two, that you have to do a good job on evals and maybe get a little luck.

This is not exactly earth shattering, but it should give hope that there is a realistic chance of competeing at a high level in a couple years. I only say a couple years with ut, because we have talent from the last two classes, but a complete lack of it on the line.

Thus, we don't have to wait four years to eval cdd, by the 2012 season we should know what we have.



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Fundamentally sound team with Top 10 recruiting the last 2 years and hopefully again next year = wins in the SEC and not 6-6...ie Phillip Fulmer's teams in the mid 90's. I'm too am an Alumnus of this great university and most know that recruiting is the lifeblood of the program. Questioning anything at this point is really not fair game, because Dooley has yet to coach a game in the SEC. Stone, Rogers, keeping Hunter, among others plus keeping the EE's from leaving was huge in my opinion.
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