Dooley taking a culture stand

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#26
IndianaVolunteer said:
Darren Myles was lined up to be a starter last yr. Then CDD kicked him off. End of story.
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Darren Myles had been arrested once before and punched a cop. No coming back from that no matter who you are. End of story.
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#27
#27
I'm surprised that people seem to have forgotten our Dline situation. Montori never lived up to the hype, but was needed to fill the gap due to depth.

I love that the people here don't seem to think Dooley is going to miss him, when Dooley has already said that this will hurt. I think Dooley knows the needs a little better. When you are as thin as UT is at the DLine, kicking off any potential contributor requires some cojones. I'm glad Dooley has them.
 
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ardent enthusiast said:
Where does all this "end of story" stuff come from? Is this like a, "My dad/post can beat up your dad/post" deal?
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I was saying it ironically Sherlock. It's pretty ridiculous to tell someone on a public message board, "end of story."
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#31
#31
GAVol said:
I think the real message is that we're in a rebuilding mode and the fact of the matter is that there aren't very many players on the roster who are going to affect whether we win 7 games or not, so it's pretty easy for Dooley to take a "my way or the highway" approach.
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Wrong, its easier when you're loaded.

Incipient said:
When they're not in the two deep?
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He was in the two deep, summer list means nothing.

99gator said:
This.

While I agree with some of the OP's argument, hughes was an irrelevant player
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No he wasnt.
 
#32
#32
bamasucks76 said:
Wrong, its easier when you're loaded.



He was in the two deep, summer list means nothing.



No he wasnt.
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Spot on. Cutting dead weight is harder when you lack depth, simply because you need the big bodies. And calling Hughes irrelevant is ridiculous. No one is irrelevant on a rebuilding team, especially if you have any idea of how practices are run. Even the walk ons are extremely beneficial at a practice. Hughes was far more than that.

People have their opinions biased by the fact that Hughes didn't live up to the hype. That doesn't mean he wasn't valuable, just that he wasn't as valuable as we hoped. Nobody wanted him to succeed more than Dooley, bc he knew how much Montori could be needed.
 
#34
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AJeray4TN said:
I was saying it ironically Sherlock. It's pretty ridiculous to tell someone on a public message board, "end of story."
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I wasn't directing it directly at you either, Watson. Just seeing a lot of it here lately and wondering if I missed the memo on "End of Story Day".
 
#36
#36
Lot of good points here.

Its a shame for Montori. In the limited examples where his head was screwed on straight and he put forth the effort the guy was a stud. Even old Ed O, who despite his many shortcomings, knows DTs pointed out Montori's exceptional ability.

I think this is truly an example of a kid pissing away the opportunity to make millions. Montori had the talent to make the NFL, just didn't have the head. It really sucks for kids like Nick Reviez who have everything it takes to be a stud except for the God-given physical measurables.
 
#37
#37
General Jack said:
Lot of good points here.

Its a shame for Montori. In the limited examples where his head was screwed on straight and he put forth the effort the guy was a stud. Even old Ed O, who despite his many shortcomings, knows DTs pointed out Montori's exceptional ability.

I think this is truly an example of a kid pissing away the opportunity to make millions. Montori had the talent to make the NFL, just didn't have the head. It really sucks for kids like Nick Reviez who have everything it takes to be a stud except for the God-given physical measurables.
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couldnt have said it any better
 
#38
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AJeray4TN said:
Darren Myles had been arrested once before and punched a cop. No coming back from that no matter who you are. End of story.
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End of partial story I think. Myles was said to have punched a guy dressed in street clothes in a brawl. Later it was said the guy he punched was a cop. I'm not completely sure, but isn't that what happened?
 
#39
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
End of partial story I think. Myles was said to have punched a guy dressed in street clothes in a brawl. Later it was said the guy he punched was a cop. I'm not completely sure, but isn't that what happened?
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I thought Myles ran, and either punched or elbowed a cop in the face who is trying to arrest him away from the scene? Could be wrong, but I thought he was hiding under a car or something?
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#40
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AJeray4TN said:
I thought Myles ran, and either punched or elbowed a cop in the face who is trying to arrest him away from the scene? Could be wrong, but I thought he was hiding under a car or something?
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Correct
 
#41
#41
Im not in a rush to say DD is a drill sgt. CPF threw many talented players off the team as well as slackers
 
#42
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AJeray4TN said:
I thought Myles ran, and either punched or elbowed a cop in the face who is trying to arrest him away from the scene? Could be wrong, but I thought he was hiding under a car or something?
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He also got caught by said cops in a foot race
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#43
#43
Without knowing the truth, it does disturb to read that Montori was hanging out with a "known murderer." A lot of guys aren't 100% all of the time. And let's face it, college kids are apt to party and do some dumb things. But they must be into it, i.e. into football because it really takes a lot. Introducing the criminal element to the team is just not in the scholarship contract. Coaches should let players know its a deal breaker.
 
#44
#44
bamasucks76 said:
He was in the two deep, summer list means nothing.
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I know the summer list means nothing, that's why I said he wasn't. He was co-2nd string on the post spring two deep, but I think we can safely assume that he'll move behind Maurice Couch. Which puts him not in the two deep.
 
#45
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dlw4n said:
With Hughes being kicked off the team for violating Dooley's rules, he seems to be reaffirming his message to his players...play by MY RULES or don't play.

How many high profile coaches would have let this kid stay on their team regardless of behavior, so long as the NCAA said they were eligible? I have a feeling he who shall not be named would have.

This is part of the culture change that Dooley promised, and I think it's refreshing to see him stick to his guns, even if it hurts us on the short run. Hopefully, the players he has/will recruit flame out at a lower rate than his predecessors.
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I really like how coach Dooley is running the program. I hate to use this as an example but the first meeting Bryant had with his team 2 or 3 guys showed up late who were pretty good players, Bryant told an asisstant coach to help those young men pack their bags they were no longer apart of the team.

That being said, do what you gotta to to separate the wheat from the chaff. Set the tone, this is a bull **** free program, jump on the Dooley and ride or get to steppin'!!
 
#47
#47
Coach Grizz said:
I really like how coach Dooley is running the program. I hate to use this as an example but the first meeting Bryant had with his team 2 or 3 guys showed up late who were pretty good players, Bryant told an asisstant coach to help those young men pack their bags they were no longer apart of the team.
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The best story of this nature was when Bill Walton went to John Wooden and told him he felt it was his personal right to grow his hair long and have a beard. Wooden responded, "you're right and I admire people who make a stand for their rights. If I was you, I think I'd grow a beard and long hair, too. However, you can't play basketball at UCLA as my rules and your moral rights seem to be at odds here, and I like my rules more than I admire your rights."
 
#48
#48
Urban Meyer, and spurrior would have just suspended him for a week of summer workouts.

dlw4n said:
With Hughes being kicked off the team for violating Dooley's rules, he seems to be reaffirming his message to his players...play by MY RULES or don't play.

How many high profile coaches would have let this kid stay on their team regardless of behavior, so long as the NCAA said they were eligible? I have a feeling he who shall not be named would have.

This is part of the culture change that Dooley promised, and I think it's refreshing to see him stick to his guns, even if it hurts us on the short run. Hopefully, the players he has/will recruit flame out at a lower rate than his predecessors.
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#49
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WinginFlorida said:
The best story of this nature was when Bill Walton went to John Wooden and told him he felt it was his personal right to grow his hair long and have a beard. Wooden responded, "you're right and I admire people who make a stand for their rights. If I was you, I think I'd grow a beard and long hair, too. However, you can't play basketball at UCLA as my rules and your moral rights seem to be at odds here, and I like my rules more than I admire your rights."
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Excellent! Still (compassionate side of me), says realize kids do make mistakes, they're young adults on the journey to maturity. Yes, hold them accountable, help teach them responsibility, and lead by example. Ensure the punishment (if necessary) fits the crime; big difference between murder (exaggeration) and jay-walking. Have to agree with Wooden. Here are the rules, abide, or pay the consequences (same as in life).
 
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