"Dooley Rule"

#26
#26
jspvol76 said:
This makes sense, but let me play out a scenario and you let me know what you think might happen.

There are 10 seconds left on the clock. The qb steps up to the ball, then spikes the ball with 5 seconds left. The ref on the ball blows the whistle to stop the clock, and the scorekeeper stops the clock accordingly wth 5 seconds left. But almost at the same time a flag is thrown in the backfield due to an illegal shift. Neither the ref that blew the whistle to stop the clock nor the game keeper saw the flag until after the clock has already been stopped, because it happened so quickly. Since the clock has stopped and play has ended with 5 seconds still remaining on the clock, what happens now?

Our situation was similar except the clock did run to down to zero eliminating the chance for the scorekeeper to actually stop the clock. But this is a scenario that could definitely happen.

Would the head ref step in and still call the game even though 5 seconds still remain on the clock?
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Yes, IMO, game over. The infraction was committed while the play was taking place. The illegal shift took place prior to the spike and subsequent stoppage of the clock.

Same as our situation, UNC had too many players on the field as the ball was spiked, so I believe the clock would have been run out due to the penalty.

I can't help but wonder if we had made the XP and none of this would have mattered if the rule would have been changed.
 
#27
#27
We never talk about this (because we usually throw up), but how amazing was that kick from the kicker? Having two seconds to kick the ball from a good distance in cold weather was impressive.
 
#28
#28
IMO the :loco: shouldnt be called.It's not directed at anybody....its directed at the play.

We cant offend a play can we?
 
#30
#30
zjcvols said:
We never talk about this (because we usually throw up), but how amazing was that kick from the kicker? Having two seconds to kick the ball from a good distance in cold weather was impressive.
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It was a very good kick. Especially since Lincoln had just choked on a much easier kick
 
#31
#31
Would have been 8-5 instead of 6-7. Hurts so much just reading/talking/thinking about all of this. The only thing that will cure the pain is to win a couple games this season that we're not supposed to. I think 9 wins this fall would make us all feel a lot better about those two unfortunate endings in 2010.
 
#32
#32
gnm53108 said:
IMO the :loco: shouldnt be called.It's not directed at anybody....its directed at the play.

We cant offend a play can we?
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Key Word, I believe so as well but you never know what a certain ref will call.
 
#35
#35
volstopfan14 said:
Any penalty on the offense in the last 10 seconds of the game would result in the game being over so yes in your scenario the game would be over
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So you are saying that regardless of the 5 seconds still showing on the clock, because the clock was stopped in error, that the game is over? This sounds like a nightmare for refs.
 
#36
#36
zjcvols said:
Now, see, why'd you go and do that?
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Well it's true. Regardless of the penalty our kicker missed a extra point and their kicker nailed a 40 yard kick (I think it was 40 yds. correct me if that is wrong). Kicking lost us the game although that rule didn't help us out either. But anyway, I've moved on from that game and am ready for this season
 
#37
#37
jspvol76 said:
So you are saying that regardless of the 5 seconds still showing on the clock, because the clock was stopped in error, that the game is over? This sounds like a nightmare for refs.
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The way I understand it is that any penalty by the offense in the last 10 seconds of the game would result in the game being over
 
#38
#38
jspvol76 said:
I don't see how this could have helped in the UNC game since the call was the clock being stopped by the spiked ball?
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I believe a review of the video shows that UNC had three extra players on the field when that ball was spiked. They were running for the sidelines trying to get off before the play was called. The clock was 0:00 while the ball was still headed downward.
 
#39
#39
jspvol76 said:
This makes sense, but let me play out a scenario and you let me know what you think might happen.

There are 10 seconds left on the clock. The qb steps up to the ball, then spikes the ball with 5 seconds left. The ref on the ball blows the whistle to stop the clock, and the scorekeeper stops the clock accordingly wth 5 seconds left. But almost at the same time a flag is thrown in the backfield due to an illegal shift. Neither the ref that blew the whistle to stop the clock nor the game keeper saw the flag until after the clock has already been stopped, because it happened so quickly. Since the clock has stopped and play has ended with 5 seconds still remaining on the clock, what happens now?

Our situation was similar except the clock did run to down to zero eliminating the chance for the scorekeeper to actually stop the clock. But this is a scenario that could definitely happen.

Would the head ref step in and still call the game even though 5 seconds still remain on the clock?
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Yes
 
#40
#40
jspvol76 said:
So you are saying that regardless of the 5 seconds still showing on the clock, because the clock was stopped in error, that the game is over? This sounds like a nightmare for refs.
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not really .. the clock wasnt "stopped in error" in your example, the ball was spiked, the referee watching for that blew the whistle and the time judge stopped it .. that all happened as it should, another referee who was watching for an illegal shift spotted it, threw the flag .. by rule run another 10 secs off, no time left, game over.
 
#41
#41
zjcvols said:
We never talk about this (because we usually throw up), but how amazing was that kick from the kicker? Having two seconds to kick the ball from a good distance in cold weather was impressive.
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39yds? That should be pretty easy for a scholarship kicker
 
#42
#42
VFL said:
Key Word, I believe so as well but you never know what a certain ref will call.
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True.

Only one thing is for certain...none will call a holding call against the bammers.

I take that back.I think they had one back in 2008.
 
#43
#43
VolsNSkinsFan said:
I am 100X more worried about the celebration rule, especially with all these young guys
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This worries me too but I also feel that all these years of time wasted while players dance, make phone calls, imitate mooning, taunting opponents and their fans, and worse led up to enough saying ENOUGH! However, another part of me feels that football games are entertainment and they shouldn't take all the fun out of the game. Thus while I understand and even agree with why this rule came into being, I question if it was well thought out before implementing, and do believe the answer is it was more knee-jerked than properly installed.
 
#44
#44
UTVOL02 said:
Would have been 8-5 instead of 6-7. Hurts so much just reading/talking/thinking about all of this. The only thing that will cure the pain is to win a couple games this season that we're not supposed to. I think 9 wins this fall would make us all feel a lot better about those two unfortunate endings in 2010.
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i don't think the new rule would have affected the LSU game but i feel you.
 
#45
#45
LSU had too many people on the field so the game would have been over. With that being said, you can assume a 8-5 record but if we would have beat LSU we may have played someone else besides UNC so who knows what would have happend.
 
#46
#46
Now if we can just have a rule where they don't give a 15 yd penalty to the offense when the defense makes a textbook hit on the wr.
 
#50
#50
easleychuck said:
Yep, the throat slashing is what is going to bite UT. It is just stupid.
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alot of the NFL "trickle down" could get us .. saluting, putting on the belt .. its okay to celebrate just run over to the sidelines and do it with your teammates first.
 
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