Dooley is over his head

#51
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Sabanocchio said:
There were a boatload of players last year in the same position! We had players on Signing Day that we "led" for or would have jumped at an opportunity to play here. The ratings aren't even out for these guys. They haven't played their senior years yet.

Let the coaching staff do the evaluating and figure out where best to deploy their attention.

It is getting more and more apparent to me that I need to pick back up my weekly blog and get you guys focused on what is good.
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Sabanocchio,

I, for one, would very much appreciate it if you would resume your recruiting blog. It was informative and helpful for those like myself who are very interested in UT recruiting but lack the time and sources to keep up with it.

mlsoft
 
#52
#52
Volfan8282 said:
He did call. The bottom line is that they weren't organized enough in that one instance at least. It's not a big deal... but I don't like hearing the "Dooley is still getting organized" crap... that just bugs me. Get it figured out or tell the kid you're not interested.
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AMEN:rock:

i mean its not a BIG deal im just saying if you want to be back on top...crap like that cant happen...and if it keeps going on then we have the wrong guy for THIS job. tennessee is a uniquely hard place to be sucsessful at.
 
#53
#53
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Who says this kid is THAT high profile?? The rankings aren't even out yet, and some seem to be anointing this kids as the next Orlando Pace.
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he is pretty high profile.

Volfan8282 said:
What's he supposed to do? Call 4 or 5 times to tell them that he's coming to campus with no other new information since the first call? It's not THAT big of a deal. But, they screwed up. I just hope that it's not indicative of how things are going over there in general.
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agree with everything here.
 
#54
#54
Sabanocchio said:
That's something that should have been brought up earlier.

Wow at the hate about this staff right now.

They may turn out to be horrible recruiters, but there is no evidence of that right now and you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.

I mean, you are criticizing CHANEY here and he did a clean-up job of recruiting last year. He was instrumental in a BUNCH of guys singing to UT.
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Soo they were singing Rocky Top I'm guessing? :)

But in all seriousness there are some people on this website who take recruiting way too serious. For one, they don't have any clue what is really going on, just what they have heard from sources that were not even there.

All we can do, as fans, is ask our NEW coaches to work as hard as they can to bring UT back to where it is supposed to be. And there is plenty evidence of this. And just because they make a mistake does not mean they are not doing their job. I cannot even imagine trying to keep all of these recruits' names, faces, positions, email addresses, etc. straight. It's mind boggling how much goes into that. And just because this staff is not coming out of the gates guns a' blazin (like Kiffin who offered an absurd amount of kids), does not mean they are not doing a good job. I believe it is actually a better strategy to focus and coordinate your efforts than offer every kid in the rivals top 100 (see Nu'keys), but that's just my opinion.

We need to support our coach like I know we as a fan base are capable of (see last year's support for Kiffin).
 
#55
#55
Lofton/Durant4 3 said:
Soo they were singing Rocky Top I'm guessing? :)

But in all seriousness there are some people on this website who take recruiting way too serious. For one, they don't have any clue what is really going on, just what they have heard from sources that were not even there.

All we can do, as fans, is ask our NEW coaches to work as hard as they can to bring UT back to where it is supposed to be. And there is plenty evidence of this. And just because they make a mistake does not mean they are not doing their job. I cannot even imagine trying to keep all of these recruits' names, faces, positions, email addresses, etc. straight. It's mind boggling how much goes into that. And just because this staff is not coming out of the gates guns a' blazin (like Kiffin who offered an absurd amount of kids), does not mean they are not doing a good job. I believe it is actually a better strategy to focus and coordinate your efforts than offer every kid in the rivals top 100 (see Nu'keys), but that's just my opinion.

We need to support our coach like I know we as a fan base are capable of (see last year's support for Kiffin).
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Nice catch. Agree with you here 100%.
 
#56
#56
It's just so funny how much we all got behind Kiffin blindly (me especially). I got him to sign one of my favorite UT hats. It was my uncle's from his years at UT. And I will always keep it as a reminder that a great recruiter does not equal a great coach or person.

But to the real point. What if Dooley was hired last year instead of Kiffin? He would have a lot more support, plain and simple. Everyone was ready for something new and exciting, and that's what Kiffin brought. He was talkin trash and the power T was everywhere. But publicity and jawin do not equal success, his record proved that. I have, along with many of my UT brethren, taken a wait and see approach with Dooley, but that does not mean he doesn't have my full support. He deserves just as much support as Kiffin got, if not more (because he is a lot better fit for the personality of UT). His timing just sucks, and that is apparent with all the bit**** and whining from these fans who have no patience.
 
#57
#57
and to say Dooley is way over his head is simply childish and premature. You have no idea, just like everyone else here. Give him some time man!
 
#58
#58
Lofton/Durant4 3 said:
It's just so funny how much we all got behind Kiffin blindly (me especially). I got him to sign one of my favorite UT hats. It was my uncle's from his years at UT. And I will always keep it as a reminder that a great recruiter does not equal a great coach or person.
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Not to get into a new topic, but just b/c Kiffin switched his UT visor for a USC visor doesn't mean that he suddenly can't coach. He showed significant signs last year of being a very solid, tactical coach. He didn't suddenly forget how to put together a coaching staff or recruit either now that he's at USC. Time will tell in the end, but I would not bet against him winning big at USC.
 
#60
#60
Lofton/Durant4 3 said:
It's just so funny how much we all got behind Kiffin blindly (me especially). I got him to sign one of my favorite UT hats. It was my uncle's from his years at UT. And I will always keep it as a reminder that a great recruiter does not equal a great coach or person.

But to the real point. What if Dooley was hired last year instead of Kiffin? He would have a lot more support, plain and simple. Everyone was ready for something new and exciting, and that's what Kiffin brought. He was talkin trash and the power T was everywhere. But publicity and jawin do not equal success, his record proved that. I have, along with many of my UT brethren, taken a wait and see approach with Dooley, but that does not mean he doesn't have my full support. He deserves just as much support as Kiffin got, if not more (because he is a lot better fit for the personality of UT). His timing just sucks, and that is apparent with all the bit**** and whining from these fans who have no patience.
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Very insightful. A lot of the Dooley hate does seem to originate from those still butt-hurt in some way be Kiffin's Exodus. Personally I supported Lane while he was here and though not happy about his departure one has to be realistic.

Seriously no one including him had any inkling that the USC job would come open for the foreseeable future. If USC hadn't gotten down to it's 5th or 6th option Kiffin was not even on their radar. If UT hadn't gotten down to it's 5th or 6th option Dooley isn't even on the radar here. honestly for the 5th or 6th option I think we got a good one and will reserve judgement for at least a couple seasons.
 
#61
#61
If the staff is not really interested in the kid, then why waste the phone call. This could be the case in this instance.
 
#62
#62
Sabanocchio said:
It's APRIL, dood. APRIL.

Do you know how many commits Kiffin had in April last year?

I get the apprehension, but take a Xanax and find something else to follow if every single negative thing about recruiting gets you this bent out of shape.

EVERYBODY makes mistakes in recruting. Many of Urban Meyer's are well-documented. Richt has had many recent gaffes. Spurrier has been banned from certain HS's. Get over it!
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+1!
I can see it as a little embarrassing but no reason to make mountains out of mole hills.
 
#63
#63
i remember our head coach last year, calling the whole town of Pahokee, Florida poor. that really went over well. our OC forgets a kids name and people or spazzing out..
 
#64
#64
pimo1 said:
This thread and others like it are totally counter productive. First off it's core is based on misinformation and anyone with any common sense can see it's just someone making a non-story into a story. The kid didn't say he called CDD he said he called the recruiting office and for all we know he talked to a janitor. The fact he didn't have a direct line to anyone is informative on how high he is on the list of priorities. This leads directly into the fact that maybe someone might mix him up with someone else.

CDD and most of his staff have not even been on campus long enough to know all his actual players by face and name yet. You expect him to remember the face and name of every single recruit, most of whom he has never fricking seen before and will never see again? You know what if he referred to someone on the team as a wr and they were an OT i'd have a problem. Also there's another piece of mis-information here. The op says he referred to DE prospect as a WR clearly meant to paint him as an idiot when in fact the kid clearly said all he said is this is who you'll be throwing to. For all we know he thought the guy was a TE prospect. For all we know UT is recruiting the kid as a WR or TE but the kid prefers D. We don't know and because of that trying to read into vague reports is a bad idea.

I don't like hearsay and second hand information for this reason exactly. People have axes to grind. Look at the source of your information before you go off the deep end about stuff.

In my honest opinion the worst thing for Vol's recruitment these days are the so called Vol's fans on these boards and others like them. If I'm a kid or the parent of a kid looking at UT and came to these boards I would run like h--l. I know that these boards are a bad representation of the Vol nation as the vocal minority (or is it moronity) is always the majority represented on message boards.
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Welcome to the board. Very well put in my opinion!
 
#65
#65
Sabanocchio said:
This is hilarious. We're talking about a guy that we don't even like enough to have offered. And at what point do you put the blame on the kid rather than the coaches when the kid called the recruiting office rather than a coach, and all the information on where the recruits need to go is on the friggin' official website. It's not even his first trip to Knoxville or Neyland. The dude didn't have anyone's number to call to figure out where he needed to go? He didn't have the recruiting office's number to find out? There were plenty of other recruits there who had no problem figuring out where they were supposed to be.

I mean, seriously, lets wait to criticize this staffs recruting efforts until February. I promise you we will have a full OL class made up of very talented players. It doesn't look like Trip Thurman will be among them though.

This staffs' recruiting efforts are very focused. They target their guys and the players that they feel they have a real shot at landing and they work their tails off. I think you all will be happy with the results. Things are about to heat up in a really good way in recruiting.
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Thank you Sab!!!! Being trapped in Kentucky must make brain cells melt away!!!!!!
 
#66
#66
Wasn't Dooley Saban's recruiting coordinator? Didn't LSU have multiple number 1 classes?Dooley knows recruiting, Chaney knows recruiting, and if they or any other coach needs help Lance Thompson knows recruiting.
 
#67
#67
heard we hired the WAC mediocrity. HE IS ABSOLUTELY out of his league, at best he is a mid major coach with an average record. But that doesn't concern me as much as the word he was suppose to be so organized. Now this is the second mistake, the kid from NC who was snubbed and verbal's to Clemson and now this mess. It does not bode well, and the apologist just keep on thinking it's not important is their usual comeback. No problem with Aaron not coming back, no problem with Bryce walking, no problem with Stephens feeling shafted, no problem it's early we don't need any verbal's. It is absolute crap and this guy doesn't have a clue and most people are seeing it for what it is. Dooley can't hold Kiffin's jock strap recruiting and that is a fact so please spare me the insulting comparison. This coach is heading down a bad road and unfortunately we have to ride with this loser.
 
#69
#69
Fijivol72 said:
heard we hired the WAC mediocrity. HE IS ABSOLUTELY out of his league, at best he is a mid major coach with an average record. But that doesn't concern me as much as the word he was suppose to be so organized. Now this is the second mistake, the kid from NC who was snubbed and verbal's to Clemson and now this mess. It does not bode well, and the apologist just keep on thinking it's not important is their usual comeback. No problem with Aaron not coming back, no problem with Bryce walking, no problem with Stephens feeling shafted, no problem it's early we don't need any verbal's. It is absolute crap and this guy doesn't have a clue and most people are seeing it for what it is. Dooley can't hold Kiffin's jock strap recruiting and that is a fact so please spare me the insulting comparison. This coach is heading down a bad road and unfortunately we have to ride with this loser.
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waaahhhh waaahhhh. please, spare us your form letter. we've seen it a hundred times
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#70
#70
Fijivol72 said:
heard we hired the WAC mediocrity. HE IS ABSOLUTELY out of his league, at best he is a mid major coach with an average record. But that doesn't concern me as much as the word he was suppose to be so organized. Now this is the second mistake, the kid from NC who was snubbed and verbal's to Clemson and now this mess. It does not bode well, and the apologist just keep on thinking it's not important is their usual comeback. No problem with Aaron not coming back, no problem with Bryce walking, no problem with Stephens feeling shafted, no problem it's early we don't need any verbal's. It is absolute crap and this guy doesn't have a clue and most people are seeing it for what it is. Dooley can't hold Kiffin's jock strap recruiting and that is a fact so please spare me the insulting comparison. This coach is heading down a bad road and unfortunately we have to ride with this loser.
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It is April, and recruiting will eventually pick up. It almost always does....but I don't care who the recruit is or where he is on the "big board". At this point in the game there is no excuse for any recruit coming to Knoxville without being "recognized". I'd love to be able to make excuses, unfortunately there is no excuse for it. UT needs offensive and defensive lineman by the dozens, and it does not need this kind of press.

Now...I don't think Dooley asked Nick, Aaron, or Bryce to leave, and I don't blame him for their departure.
 
#71
#71
if this wan't a pattern we just chalk it up. But the NC kid was shafted in the same way and verbal's to Clemson. 4 months is plenty of time to get organized and knowing your player's and recruits, someone should have been assigned to each recruit here, so if 50 show then its not a circus, you break them down by position and have the position coaches TCof business. I was also less than inspired by the spring game and "annoiting" Simms when on record nothing would be decided before fall smells pretty bad especially after Simms' performance. Again just wasn't handled right. Add to these facts our loss of players and no verbals and it look like Barney Fife is running the show and it's scary.
 
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#73
#73
Geeez, if there is any justice in the world Dooley will make chicken soup out of chicken sh*t next year and all you negavols will be eating crow!
 
#75
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Lexvol said:
It is April, and recruiting will eventually pick up. It almost always does....but I don't care who the recruit is or where he is on the "big board". At this point in the game there is no excuse for any recruit coming to Knoxville without being "recognized". I'd love to be able to make excuses, unfortunately there is no excuse for it. UT needs offensive and defensive lineman by the dozens, and it does not need this kind of press.
Now...I don't think Dooley asked Nick, Aaron, or Bryce to leave, and I don't blame him for their departure.
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Then I am curious as to why this is being reported. This was chosen to be put out there even as insignificant as it is. Sounds like someone has an agenda.
 
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