Dooley is over his head

[VolFromNashville]

In Chaneys defense, he prob just didn't know who the guy was because he was a DE and not an offensive player.

It's not the end of the world, but there are a ton of prospects that we lead for or like us, or have us in their top 5 who we haven't even contacted

That is more concerning to me than messing up a position or losing contact with a recruit (still no excuse for that). If there are good players with you in their top 5 and you can't even call them at all? Makes no sense to me. But hey I am not a coach and I don't get paid like one.

 

[Volfan8282]

How is that embarrassing? Chaney's focus is on the '11 class. It's not surprising he didn't know the kid by sight and if the kid get's so butt-hurt by that that he doesn't want to come here, then he's not the kind of guy we want around our program anyway.

Then he should've just kept his mouth shut. That's the same thing when you or me can't remember somebody's name... you don't walk up to them and say "hey Jerry.." and his name is Frank. Like I said, not a huge deal but it doesn't exactly exude attention to detail either.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Then he should've just kept his mouth shut. That's the same thing when you or me can't remember somebody's name... you don't walk up to them and say "hey Jerry.." and his name is Frank. Like I said, not a huge deal but it doesn't exactly exude attention to detail either.

And you've never done that before? You've never screwed up someone's name?

I don't know why he would be paying a huge amount of attention to a DEFENSIVE player that isn't even in the class he's focused on. If the guy seriously doesn't want to come here because of something that trivial, then I don't want him around the team. It was an honest mistake. The dude seems to have been looking for excuses to have a bad time. And how long do the coaches have to make it right for him?

Come on. What's the deal with you people focusing on something this trivial in April? Especially with a guy that doesn't sign until 2012.

 

[Sabanocchio]

That is more concerning to me than messing up a position or losing contact with a recruit (still no excuse for that). If there are good players with you in their top 5 and you can't even call them at all? Makes no sense to me. But hey I am not a coach and I don't get paid like one.

There were a boatload of players last year in the same position! We had players on Signing Day that we "led" for or would have jumped at an opportunity to play here. The ratings aren't even out for these guys. They haven't played their senior years yet.

Let the coaching staff do the evaluating and figure out where best to deploy their attention.

It is getting more and more apparent to me that I need to pick back up my weekly blog and get you guys focused on what is good.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

And you've never done that before? You've never screwed up someone's name?

I don't know why he would be paying a huge amount of attention to a DEFENSIVE player that isn't even in the class he's focused on. If the guy seriously doesn't want to come here because of something that trivial, then I don't want him around the team. It was an honest mistake. The dude seems to have been looking for excuses to have a bad time. And how long do the coaches have to make it right for him?

Come on. What's the deal with you people focusing on something this trivial in April? Especially with a guy that doesn't sign until 2012.

It's mainly because this coaching staff doesn't stroke the ego of our fanbase on a daily basis, like the last staff did. I'm sure there were issues like this last year, you can't be recruiting over 150 kids at once without some type of hiccup. We just never heard about it.

 

[Volfan8282]

And you've never done that before? You've never screwed up someone's name?

I don't know why he would be paying a huge amount of attention to a DEFENSIVE player that isn't even in the class he's focused on. If the guy seriously doesn't want to come here because of something that trivial, then I don't want him around the team. It was an honest mistake. The dude seems to have been looking for excuses to have a bad time. And how long do the coaches have to make it right for him?

Come on. What's the deal with you people focusing on something this trivial in April? Especially with a guy that doesn't sign until 2012.

Honestly? No, I've never done that that I can recall. But, I'm probably more conscientious than a lot of people. I would go with the more general "Hey buddy.." if I couldn't remember. Again, I'm not freaking out, but that couldn't have looked good in front of other recruits when the kid has to correct you and tell you that he plays on the other side of the ball. As far as the OL, I don't care if we're not going to offer him ever. If he's coming to campus and he has given reasonable notice, then you should know that... don't use the "still getting organized" excuse.

 

[BigOrange15]

It's APRIL, dood. APRIL.

Do you know how many commits Kiffin had in April last year?

I get the apprehension, but take a Xanax and find something else to follow if every single negative thing about recruiting gets you this bent out of shape.

EVERYBODY makes mistakes in recruting. Many of Urban Meyer's are well-documented. Richt has had many recent gaffes. Spurrier has been banned from certain HS's. Get over it!

Thank you for being a steady voice of reason around here about the whole "Dooley and the staff aren't recruiting hard" thing. I really hate reading where people are doubting him and the staff and not giving them a chance. It's just unfair this early in the process.

 

[VolFromNashville]

There were a boatload of players last year in the same position! We had players on Signing Day that we "led" for or would have jumped at an opportunity to play here. The ratings aren't even out for these guys. They haven't played their senior years yet.

Let the coaching staff do the evaluating and figure out where best to deploy their attention.

It is getting more and more apparent to me that I need to pick back up my weekly blog and get you guys focused on what is good.

I am not disagreeing with you. I just can't see why a coach would not atleast contact a player who could be highly rated and wants to play for you. It's still very early in the process, so why not cast your ballot with some of the top guys who want to play and then focus on the recruits you have the BEST shot at landing on NSD. Sab, I am not one of "the sky is falling" people. I just am curious as to why a coach wouldnt contact a seemingly talented player who wants to play for him that's all. I put my trust in Dooley to get the job done with the appropriate amount of time given to him.

 

[pimo1]

This thread and others like it are totally counter productive. First off it's core is based on misinformation and anyone with any common sense can see it's just someone making a non-story into a story. The kid didn't say he called CDD he said he called the recruiting office and for all we know he talked to a janitor. The fact he didn't have a direct line to anyone is informative on how high he is on the list of priorities. This leads directly into the fact that maybe someone might mix him up with someone else.

CDD and most of his staff have not even been on campus long enough to know all his actual players by face and name yet. You expect him to remember the face and name of every single recruit, most of whom he has never fricking seen before and will never see again? You know what if he referred to someone on the team as a wr and they were an OT i'd have a problem. Also there's another piece of mis-information here. The op says he referred to DE prospect as a WR clearly meant to paint him as an idiot when in fact the kid clearly said all he said is this is who you'll be throwing to. For all we know he thought the guy was a TE prospect. For all we know UT is recruiting the kid as a WR or TE but the kid prefers D. We don't know and because of that trying to read into vague reports is a bad idea.

I don't like hearsay and second hand information for this reason exactly. People have axes to grind. Look at the source of your information before you go off the deep end about stuff.

In my honest opinion the worst thing for Vol's recruitment these days are the so called Vol's fans on these boards and others like them. If I'm a kid or the parent of a kid looking at UT and came to these boards I would run like h--l. I know that these boards are a bad representation of the Vol nation as the vocal minority (or is it moronity) is always the majority represented on message boards.

 

[willn85]

I thought he was supposed to me the most organized guy ever according to Hamilton

This defense of the hire was probably the most incredible one to me. If you hire a man to be the CEO of a 60+ million dollar organization, I would assume that he was well organized. That should not be a selling point, organization should be understood. Obviously, it was Hamilton's way of deflecting the negativity he received after the announcement and a good way to fill up the awkward silences after people ask him why he hired the guy during a press conference... but there is no way you should ever hire a COLLEGE FOOTBALL COACH AT A MAJOR UNIVERSITY with a yearly athletic budget over 100 million dollars that is primarily generated by your football team, and defend him by saying he is organized. This type of stupidity does not give me confidence in the guy, and is why I have a hard time of defending Hamilton on anything (except for the Pearl hire).

Obviously, the kid's coach called the recruiting office (as is normal operating procedure) and someone dropped the ball in between the "administrative assistant" and Dooley... so it's not Dooley's fault really (and I'm sure Dooley's organizational skills are impressive, but... THEY FREAKING SHOULD BE)... but it becomes his fault because he is the head man.

 

[BloodRUNZOrange]

And you've never done that before? You've never screwed up someone's name?

I don't know why he would be paying a huge amount of attention to a DEFENSIVE player that isn't even in the class he's focused on. If the guy seriously doesn't want to come here because of something that trivial, then I don't want him around the team. It was an honest mistake. The dude seems to have been looking for excuses to have a bad time. And how long do the coaches have to make it right for him?

Come on. What's the deal with you people focusing on something this trivial in April? Especially with a guy that doesn't sign until 2012.

i mean dude, its not the end of the world...but at the same time that aint going to help us. a comment like that to a high profile kid could make him turn us off

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

i mean dude, its not the end of the world...but at the same time that aint going to help us. a comment like that to a high profile kid could make him turn us off

Who says this kid is THAT high profile?? The rankings aren't even out yet, and some seem to be anointing this kids as the next Orlando Pace.

 

[BloodRUNZOrange]

Who says this kid is THAT high profile?? The rankings aren't even out yet, and some seem to be anointing this kids as the next Orlando Pace.

im not saying he is im saying any recruits we have in the future. as in he might say that to someone whos parents are not season ticket holders and all we have to do is fart in his direction and they will commit.

i mean im sorry but i just keep hearing bad over and over and over....mike hamilton needs to throw the hammer down and tell them to get off their asses and start recruiting or they will recruit the next place they will coach....:banghead2:

 

[sammyjoey]

1. The staff made a mistake. No way around it. They should've made sure to talk to the guy.

2. This isn't that big of a deal.

Y'all are seeing what you want to see. Kiffin had been on the job one week and embarrassed himself nationally by making a recruiting mistake (calling out Urban incorrectly). But everyone was on the Lane Train so we thought it was hilarious and looked the other way. Dooley makes a mistake with one kid, who has since stated that it's all good and he's still interested in us - i.e. NO HARM DONE - and everyone is all over Dooley's case because you're looking for a reason to b**** about him.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

im not saying he is im saying any recruits we have in the future. as in he might say that to someone whos parents are season ticket holders and all we have to do is fart in his direction and they will commit.

i mean im sorry but i just keep hearing bad over and over and over....mike hamilton needs to throw the hammer down and tell them to get on their asses and start recruiting or they will recruit the next place they will coach....:banghead2:

Dude, Mike Hamilton won't do crap, he'll sit down with his pie and shut his trap.

This by NO means can be pinned SOLELY on the staff, IF the kid didn't make EVERY opportunity to reach out to the staff.

See this quote...

My coach called the football office and told them that I was coming, but with everything they have had going on, the coaches didn't know I was coming. Coach (Derek) Dooley is still trying to get everything organized.

So, where's his FULL effort to get noticed?? One phone call?? Come on.

 

[BloodRUNZOrange]

I want to like them but hell guys, its only april but we are 3 years behind every sec team and team in the country. we have a seriouse pr problem of being a program in decline when kiffin left. they need to be getting the word out about tennessee football. not hiding from the press and taking their sweet time in contacting recruits....there is a difference in being selective and then just being unorganized and it looks like dooley muffed on the hiring of terry joeseph.....

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

I want to like them but hell guys, its only april but we are 3 years behind every sec team and team in the country. we have a seriouse pr problem of being a program in decline when kiffin left. they need to be getting the word out about tennessee football. not hiding from the press and taking their sweet time in contacting recruits....there is a difference in being selective and then just being unorganized and it looks like dooley muffed on the hiring of terry joeseph.....

Man, they aren't hiding from anyone, they are busy doing work that will help build our program, and a prospect acting butt hurt is something that probably doesn't really concern Dooley, IMO. Dooley is going to do what he feels is right to get this program turned around. That's something that 100% of the people on this board would find impossible to do because they can't put their fan card down for one second and look at things objectively.

 

[BloodRUNZOrange]

Dude, Mike Hamilton won't do crap, he'll sit down with his pie and shut his trap.

This by NO means can be pinned SOLELY on the staff, IF the kid didn't make EVERY opportunity to reach out to the staff.

See this quote...


So, where's his FULL effort to get noticed?? One phone call?? Come on.

umm its not a recruits job to contact the coaches....its the other way around...

im not trying to jump on you but stop looking at this with orange colored glasses....its not the end of the world but it is kind of explaining why we didint have any commitments after the O and W game...

 

[BloodRUNZOrange]

i just hope they dont want the kid and thats why because thats horrible if we are still in disaray after 4 months...maybe thats why he wont talk to the press hahah

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

umm its not a recruits job to contact the coaches....its the other way around...

im not trying to jump on you but stop looking at this with orange colored glasses....its not the end of the world but it is kind of explaining why we didint have any commitments after the O and W game...

Check this out, the coaches CAN'T call a recruit directly right now.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Honestly? No, I've never done that that I can recall. But, I'm probably more conscientious than a lot of people. I would go with the more general "Hey buddy.." if I couldn't remember. Again, I'm not freaking out, but that couldn't have looked good in front of other recruits when the kid has to correct you and tell you that he plays on the other side of the ball. As far as the OL, I don't care if we're not going to offer him ever. If he's coming to campus and he has given reasonable notice, then you should know that... don't use the "still getting organized" excuse.

I promise you you are not more conscientious than I am and that's something I've done many times. Even to someone I've known for awhile. I make a concerted effort to remember people's names and I do 99% of the time. But sometimes my brain will make a connection to someone else that looks similar or a name that is very similar. I once knew a guy named Mike Costanza -- well, I was in the process of selling him some PC's and I slipped up once and called him "George." He got a real kick out of it. He didn't get butt-hurt though and I made the sale.

 

[Volfan8282]

So, where's his FULL effort to get noticed?? One phone call?? Come on.

What's he supposed to do? Call 4 or 5 times to tell them that he's coming to campus with no other new information since the first call? It's not THAT big of a deal. But, they screwed up. I just hope that it's not indicative of how things are going over there in general.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

What's he supposed to do? Call 4 or 5 times to tell them that he's coming to campus with no other new information since the first call? It's not THAT big of a deal. But, they screwed up. I just hope that it's not indicative of how things are going over there in general.

Remember when Dooley said that all it takes is to pick up the phone and call someone?? This is one of those times. Common sense.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Check this out, the coaches CAN'T call a recruit directly right now.

That's something that should have been brought up earlier.

Wow at the hate about this staff right now.

They may turn out to be horrible recruiters, but there is no evidence of that right now and you guys are making a big deal out of nothing.

I mean, you are criticizing CHANEY here and he did a clean-up job of recruiting last year. He was instrumental in a BUNCH of guys singing to UT.

 

[Volfan8282]

Remember when Dooley said that all it takes is to pick up the phone and call someone?? This is one of those times. Common sense.

He did call. The bottom line is that they weren't organized enough in that one instance at least. It's not a big deal... but I don't like hearing the "Dooley is still getting organized" crap... that just bugs me. Get it figured out or tell the kid you're not interested.