Dooley Deserves Alot Of Credit

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ejgarc said:
Whose fault was the losing season? Whose fault were all of the lateral coaching changes? We did not address the need for LBs. The whole TN doesn't have in-state talent is addressed by the huge money we spend on recruiting:
UT's recruiting budget tops SEC by healthy margin | The Tennessean | tennessean.com. He has the tools to succeed and all he has shown is that he is an average recruiter in this conference. Therefore, no I do not agree with the premise that "Dooley deserves a lot of credit."
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Did you sign up just to say that......:p

Seriously, when we start winning Championships, he will be a TOP recruiter. Alabam and LSU don't get all their recruits simply because their head coaches are great recruiters. They're winning and we've had a cloud around us.

It's amazing he's been able to do what he has under the circumstances; no matter what you or anyone else say.
 
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TennTom said:
My expectations are to challenge for the East and be competitive in every game in Dooley's 3rd year in the toughest conference in the country. Michigan St. was satisfied with .500 in year 4 in a less competitive conference. Happy? Blind assumptions are awesome.

Pretty sure I indicated the tOSU win on the road likely saved his job, right?
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If Dooley ever beats the #1 team in the country, he's probably safe.
 
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VOLsince68 said:
Did you sign up just to say that......:p

Seriously, when we start winning Championships, he will be a TOP recruiter. Alabam and LSU don't get all their recruits simply because their head coaches are great recruiters. They're winning and we've had a cloud around us.

It's amazing he's been able to do what he has under the circumstances; no matter what you or anyone else say.
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Was our cloud worse than the cloud at USCw, Miami or tOSU? Because those schools are still recruiting well and they have massive clouds hanging over them. Please tell me what is so "amazing" about what he has done under these circumstances?
 
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peyton4heisman said:
Precisely.

My 6 month old daughter (her name is Tennessee) could have signed a similar class with the school's name and conference affiliation alone.
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Realistically, you put your daugther to the task...pretty lame....nice excuse for a so called dad....

Think it is simple.....it's not....

Problem with Kids today is their parents that have to use their kids as a means to belittle someone else....

Cute but just toss the kid under the bus for a laugh....next time...
 
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Coach Dooley consciously looks for smart, honest team-players. He gets a lot of players who just want to get better at what they do, to play football, and to win. He's not looking for players who are beefing up their Rivals ranking by going to a dozen camps and entertaining offers from a bunch of different schools.

Based on what we've seen I have every reason to believe that he's doing what we needed: rebuilding this program into something great. Make no mistake - this program is getting better with Coach Dooley at the helm. Remember that when Fulmer came in as HC he had loads of talent both on the team and in the coaching staff. The program was fundamentally sound at that time.

By contrast, Dooley had to put together a coaching staff and a team from spare parts. He didn't carry over a lot of talented staff like Fulmer was able to do, he didn't have his dad to depend on like Kiffen, and he didn't have a group of strong lieutenants he could take with him like Saban has been able to do.

Maybe if he had more experience he would have found a way to overcome our rushing problems last year, especially if they were (as people seem to believe), the result of poor coaching. Maybe he would have recognized that the O-line wasn't being coached to run-block. Maybe he would have fired someone mid-year.

But Dooley can't do everything himself, he has to have dependable people working for him, and it takes time to develop a team of these dependable people. If they're really good you only need a few of them - they'll help make sure everyone else is doing what needs to be done. This is why I love the Sunseri hire. Dooley knows and trusts him and Sunseri has tons of experience. Sunseri may not be a five-star up-and-coming X's and O's coach from Boise State or whatever, but that's not what our program needs right now. It needs a group of smart and experienced people who trust each other and will work hard to make each other better.

Which is what our recruits look like.
 
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LynxVol said:
Just OK? I'm not going to sit here and fluff the results CDD has gotten us, because they past two seasons have been average at best. However, recruiting out of a state like TN where the in-state class was garbage, I think you are under-cutting his achievement. We had a losing season and made six coaching changes. We still ended up with a boarderline top 15 class. Scout is completely irrelevant because their rankings are a joke.

You have a point with the "volume of good players," but we addressed needs in this class very well, DT/NT, WR, and DB.
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I didn't say needs weren't addressed, although some big ones were not. I could even say he did a good job, under the circumstances, but then a lot of those circumstances were because of Dooley himself.

Regardless, none of that changes that, for an SEC school, and especially for what I expect from UT football, this is an average class. Dooley held serve. Maybe that's the best he (or anyone) could do this year. But purely from looking at the prospects in light of how they were rated, no one can claim he knocked it out of the park the way many here are pretending.

Not to say they won't ultimately be the best (or worst) sec class this year.
 
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bobbyutvol said:
Considering we lost 6 coaches, had the NCAA on our buts, Had a horriable season, Coach Dooley deserves alot of credit for keeping most of this class together. If we don't lose Santos & Peters we would all be praising him. Considering all the negative things that happened over the past year I think he deserves some credit. We still had a very good class of recruit's. jmo
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Maybe if he would have done a better job of hiring and not been so hard to work with we wouldn't have lost six coaches. Maybe if he would have done a better job of coaching especially the last game of the season it wouldn't have been considered such a bad season. If we don't lose Santos and Peters we would be praising Dooley is a mute point. When is Dooley ever going to have to be held accountable for anything? There are very few coaches that couldn't get Tennessee to a top 20 class with our facilities and over 2 million dollars to spend on recruiting. We thought Dooley came at a bargain price but we could take his current salary and half the recruiting budget and hire a real coach. Just a counterpoint to think about. peace

btw, the NCAA was a complete non factor for our recruiting you just threw that in to be more dramatic.
 
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ejgarc said:
Was our cloud worse than the cloud at USCw, Miami or tOSU? Because those schools are still recruiting well and they have massive clouds hanging over them. Please tell me what is so "amazing" about what he has done under these circumstances?
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Show me how many times we've out-recruited those schools in our history? I know we have at times, but for the most part, we have not. I don't claim to know any numbers, and frankly, don't have time to look them up as I am at work and very busy.

I'm not saying he's a godsend or anything. I'm just saying that he has done a great job considering the state of our program right now. Nothing more, nothing less. JMHO.
 
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bobbyutvol said:
Considering we lost 6 coaches, had the NCAA on our buts, Had a horriable season, Coach Dooley deserves alot of credit for keeping most of this class together. If we don't lose Santos & Peters we would all be praising him. Considering all the negative things that happened over the past year I think he deserves some credit. We still had a very good class of recruit's. jmo
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He should have had the number one class recruiting this year. If he was'nt a terrible coach we could win the NC next year. He is the only reason we went 5-7 last year. Oh wait I forgot I'm not a negavol.

My real thoughts are he is turning this thing around with good quality people on and off the field not the high profile thugs that some coaches go for. I am all in with CCD GBO!!!
 
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ejgarc said:
Was our cloud worse than the cloud at USCw, Miami or tOSU? Because those schools are still recruiting well and they have massive clouds hanging over them. Please tell me what is so "amazing" about what he has done under these circumstances?
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Doesn't matter if it was worse or not, those teams don't play in the SEC so with a weaker team they still have 6 wins pretty much built into their schedules

Please find me a game on this schedule (UofM) that UT has a 0% chance of winning...

Mon, Sept 5 @Maryland
Sat, Sept 17 vs#17 Ohio State
Sat, Sept 24 vsKansas State
Sat, Oct 1 vsBethune-Cookman
Sat, Oct 8 @#21 Virginia Tech
Sat, Oct 15 @North Carolina
Sat, Oct 22 vs#22 Georgia Tech
Thu, Oct 27 vsVirginia
Sat, Nov 5 vsDuke
Sat, Nov 12 @Florida State
Sat, Nov 19 @South Florida
Fri, Nov 25 vsBoston College
 
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VOLsince68 said:
This was going way down long before Dooley came along. Between the steady decline of CPF's last few teams and the other guy's one team I refuse to mention, he is just trying to right the ship. If he keeps bringing in strong recruiting classes, we'll get back.

He has to get better on the X's and O's side, and I'll be the first to admit that. But, we were spiraling downward before he got here.
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i agree with that, eventhough i still think the talent level was not as bad as people said. that being said we seem to have better players now, but still are the same 6-6 team we had when fulmer and tosh.0 were here. like i said in my opinion dooley will have to go for us to get back to the top of the east. he could prove me wrong this year, i just really believe that he won't. 7-5 sounds about right.
 
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We were young all last year.We lost 6 coaches because of WHY.No one knows for sure.Now is the time for excuses to end.The man dug his own hole. It is time to produce or hit the trail.The norm used to be a bad season was 9 wins now we're hoping for either 7 or 8 wins to save a job.We are the most prideful group of fans going if you wish to make excuses.Please understand how pathetic it sounds.Whose fault is it that all these coaches left not ours.I'm not paid 2 milion plus to do a job.You run coaches off for what ever reason so recruits leave and why wouldn't a 17 year old kid want to go to a program thats winning over a program thats struggling.Most of these kids don't bleed orange yet so reality becomes no more excuses or please go pickup the Black and Gold and join the real world.
 
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Guys, this class would have been easily top 15 if not for Slive and his hard 25 scholly handicap, that the rest of the nation doesn't have to worry about.

That rule cost us Crawley 4*, Khalid Henderson, Keithon Redding.

We would have kept those guys around if we could still go over 25, just in case Santos and Peters fell through, but with there being some grade concerns and thinking we might keep Santos and Peters, and possibly pull Kirven or Leggett, we couldn't afford to risk it with those 3.

Slive has made some pretty smart decisions for this conference, but that one, against the wish of every single coach in the league, was STUPID!!!!
 
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VOLsince68 said:
Show me how many times we've out-recruited those schools in our history? I know we have at times, but for the most part, we have not. I don't claim to know any numbers, and frankly, don't have time to look them up as I am at work and very busy.

I'm not saying he's a godsend or anything. I'm just saying that he has done a great job considering the state of our program right now. Nothing more, nothing less. JMHO.
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So basically you stated that we had a "cloud" that affected our recruiting and now you are saying that it doesn't matter that other schools have a cloud because we don't out-recruit them typically. So the "clouds" only effect UT?

I also want to know why there is reason to celebrate an average SEC class with the amount of money we spend on recruiting. Again this is a good class but I do tire of hearing that "he has done a great job considering the state of our program right now." He is not solely responsible for the state of the program but he has certainly contributed his fair share of the blame.
 
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ionaVOL said:
Doesn't matter if it was worse or not, those teams don't play in the SEC so with a weaker team they still have 6 wins pretty much built into their schedules

Please find me a game on this schedule (UofM) that UT has a 0% chance of winning...

Mon, Sept 5 @Maryland
Sat, Sept 17 vs#17 Ohio State
Sat, Sept 24 vsKansas State
Sat, Oct 1 vsBethune-Cookman
Sat, Oct 8 @#21 Virginia Tech
Sat, Oct 15 @North Carolina
Sat, Oct 22 vs#22 Georgia Tech
Thu, Oct 27 vsVirginia
Sat, Nov 5 vsDuke
Sat, Nov 12 @Florida State
Sat, Nov 19 @South Florida
Fri, Nov 25 vsBoston College
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What does Miami's schedule have to do with Dooley getting an average class? I do not understand the correlation. All I was responding to was the argument that Dooley was getting great players despite the "cloud" hanging over the program and pointing out that other schools have much larger clouds and are not missing a beat. Somehow Miami's schedule explains that?
 
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My point is that even with some of the weaker teams in UT history over the past few years we would easily be more competitive in conf like the ACC/BIG 10/PAC 12 etc

Look at the Oct schedule this past year, no one outside of the SEC can come close to playing anything that difficult. For UT to get bombed week after week on national tv to conf rivals and still maintain a top 20 recruiting class with the coaching turnover so close to national signing day, Dooley deserves no credit?!?!

Playing a schedule like UofM, UT would have clearly been more competitive and arguably in a bowl game. IMO that makes recruiting a little easier at the end of the day.

So, in conclusion, these are the cards that we have been dealt, and IMO Dooley has done an admirable job building this team back to the point where we will not only be competitive against Fla, Bama etc, but beat them
 
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ionaVOL said:
My point is that even with some of the weaker teams in UT history over the past few years we would easily be more competitive in conf like the ACC/BIG 10/PAC 12 etc

Look at the Oct schedule this past year, no one outside of the SEC can come close to playing anything that difficult. For UT to get bombed week after week on national tv to conf rivals and still maintain a top 20 recruiting class with the coaching turnover so close to national signing day, Dooley deserves no credit?!?!

Playing a schedule like UofM, UT would have clearly been more competitive and arguably in a bowl game. IMO that makes recruiting a little easier at the end of the day.

So, in conclusion, these are the cards that we have been dealt, and IMO Dooley has done an admirable job building this team back to the point where we will not only be competitive against Fla, Bama etc, but beat them
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Being in the SEC, playing on national television and having top notch facilities sound like selling points to me. Those things are not negatives. Not being in a bowl game was on Dooley. Finally, what "are the cards that we have been dealt"?
 
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ejgarc said:
Being in the SEC, playing on national television and having top notch facilities sound like selling points to me. Those things are not negatives. Not being in a bowl game was on Dooley. Finally, what "are the cards that we have been dealt"?
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They are selling points and thank god we have them to sell, otherwise we probably wouldn't have finished ahead of anyone in the SEC...I really don't want to argue with you because lord knows I'll never change your mind, but if you honestly think that this program is not on the way back up whats the point of being a fan?

I don't understand the Dooley bashing, never will, the man knows the score, he knows he has to win, he is clearly going to be here to coach the team next year, why would "fans" not support him? Peters and Santos sign yesterday you're looking at a top 15 finish ahead of a team that played for the BCS title and was ranked #1 all damn year.

All I wish for is for this team to be healthy all year, I think the results will speak for themselves, as will next years recruiting class.
 
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ionaVOL said:
They are selling points and thank god we have them to sell, otherwise we probably wouldn't have finished ahead of anyone in the SEC...I really don't want to argue with you because lord knows I'll never change your mind, but if you honestly think that this program is not on the way back up whats the point of being a fan?

I don't understand the Dooley bashing, never will, the man knows the score, he knows he has to win, he is clearly going to be here to coach the team next year, why would "fans" not support him? Peters and Santos sign yesterday you're looking at a top 15 finish ahead of a team that played for the BCS title and was ranked #1 all damn year.

All I wish for is for this team to be healthy all year, I think the results will speak for themselves, as will next years recruiting class.
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The program would have to be on the way back up because we are basically at our lowest point as a program. If "Peters and Santos sign yesterday you're looking at a top 15 finish..." but they didn't. They did not sign. So that point is moot. I also do not understand how I am not a "fan," by pointing out facts. Almost everyone on this board wants to see this team win big next year but I do not believe that "Dooley deserves a lot of credit" for bringing in an average class.

Basically I expect a head coach with top-notch facilities, a proud tradition, one of the largest recruiting budgets in college football, a great stadium, world-class facilities and being in the best conference in college football to be able to sell the product. Telling me that he should get a pat on the back for bringing in an average class just leaves me miffed.
 
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ejgarc said:
The program would have to be on the way back up because we are basically at our lowest point as a program. If "Peters and Santos sign yesterday you're looking at a top 15 finish..." but they didn't. They did not sign. So that point is moot. I also do not understand how I am not a "fan," by pointing out facts. Almost everyone on this board wants to see this team win big next year but I do not believe that "Dooley deserves a lot of credit" for bringing in an average class.

Basically I expect a head coach with top-notch facilities, a proud tradition, one of the largest recruiting budgets in college football, a great stadium, world-class facilities and being in the best conference in college football to be able to sell the product. Telling me that he should get a pat on the back for bringing in an average class just leaves me miffed.
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There are 120 FBS schools that UT competes against every year. Please tell me how a 17th place finish after 2 straight losing seasons is considered average and not something CDD can be given credit for. I understand we had those losing seasons under his watch, but he did not put UT in the situation it was in when he took over. He is bringing them out of it.

Serious question...

Would you rather UT do well and CDD remain at UT, or would you rather UT fail miserably so he is replaced and they hire a coach with your approval?
 
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