Dooley argument

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VolBeef88 said:
So one signing class is more important than making the proper hiring of a head coach? The head coach will have a MUCH bigger impact on the future of the program than one class!
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On this one Beef we agree. It was just another poor decision in a long list of them by the people that run the show.

There just wasn't any reason to show the panic and hire quickly. I'll never hear a excuse good enough for me to go along with that one.
 
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Incipient said:
People keep harping on time management. Seriously, where are all these time management issues? Did everybody want to try to run a 30 yard pass (with our offensive line) in 9 seconds with no timeouts?

On the other side, you see a successful surprise onside kick and two successful fake punts (in two attempts). Do those not weigh in on the positive side?
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actually some posts during/immediately following the game said we had time to throw it across the middle and still get a fg off. Seriously
 
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UTWes said:
Now how do you know we offered anyone 4 million? You are telling me Derrick Dooley, who no one even knew before we hired him, was the only coach that would come to the University of Tennessee? come on, this hire was a complete joke. I didn't even know Vince Dooley had a son until we hired Dooley.

I wanted to believe in him too, it was kinda of exciting when he came in, but I seeing coaching crap unrelated to talent. Penalties, time management, careless misstakes...etc.
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People questioning the dooley hire need to analyze a bit further and understand you can't take freshmen and win every game in the SEC no matter who you are.. it is retarded to think you can..

The only thing fans that are questioning this are doing is hurting the program, recruits will look at fan boards etc.. when making choices and seeing this junk will only make them hesitant to come here.

If we were blown out by GA, I could see the concern.. but that is not what happened by any stretch of the imagination, with freshman and 2 of our best players from the summer not able to play we still held GA to their lowest offensive output of the year and stayed in the game. I really do not see any cause for concern at this point and feel fans are severely over reacting and just making things worse.
 
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utvolpj said:
actually some posts during/immediately following the game said we had time to throw it across the middle and still get a fg off. Seriously
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UTWes said:
Now how do you know we offered anyone 4 million? You are telling me Derrick Dooley, who no one even knew before we hired him, was the only coach that would come to the University of Tennessee? come on, this hire was a complete joke. I didn't even know Vince Dooley had a son until we hired Dooley.

I wanted to believe in him too, it was kinda of exciting when he came in, but I seeing coaching crap unrelated to talent. Penalties, time management, careless misstakes...etc.
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How do you know we didn't offer the money? Is it so hard to believe that this job is not as appealing as some of us want it to be.
 
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ImportedVoL said:
People questioning the dooley hire need to analyze a bit further and understand you can't take freshmen and win every game in the SEC no matter who you are.. it is retarded to think you can..

The only thing fans that are questioning this are doing is hurting the program, recruits will look at fan boards etc.. when making choices and seeing this junk will only make them hesitant to come here.

If we were blown out by GA, I could see the concern.. but that is not what happened by any stretch of the imagination, with freshman and 2 of our best players from the summer not able to play we still held GA to their lowest offensive output of the year and stayed in the game. I really do not see any cause for concern at this point and feel fans are severely over reacting and just making things worse.
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Not really what were talking about here but i get your point.
 
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And when he gets 1 signature win, this will all be wiped away. Defense has played well to this point. Passing game has been great to this point. No clue about running game. Sack totals have been fine, to this point. DD is doing a fine job and in two years re-visit this and see if everyone feels the same.
 
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I think its great that vn allows special needs people to start threads and allows others of need to respond with opinions about football, coaching, etc.
Freak's Kids seems to fit. Can we go ahead and create a new forum for the repetitively misinformed?
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Les Miles was 28-21 at OSU when LSU hired him. Saban was 25-23 in his first 4 years at MSU and never won a bowl game there. He didn't win 9 games until his 5th year.

This isn't to say that Dooley will have that type of success but it should point out that the first few years of a coach's tenure can't be a reliable predictor of success.
 
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UTWes said:
I guess it just sucks knowing Dooley probably isn't the guy, but we have to give him his time.
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What makes you so sure he isn't the right guy? He led La Tech to their first bowl win in 31 years. People act like he should have won a National Championship there. He did good things. Stop listening to what people in the media or negative people on this site say about him. He's a really good coach. Just take a second and look at what he has done. Listen to the things that he says. He's a brilliant guy, and I think we were lucky to find him before someone else did. Sure there have been mistakes on his part, but there have also been countless setbacks that were out of his control. He has all the tools to be a great coach, but he has to build an entirely new brand. Give him time. He has done nothing to deserve this kind of talk from his own fans.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Name one person we offered $4 mill to?
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Widely reported we offered 4 million to Gruden and Cowher, both said no. Also reported we offered Muschamp over 3 million and he said no. Muschamp was one who advised on hiring Dooley, said he was one of the best he had ever worked with.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
Name one person we offered $4 mill to?
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Is it really a surprise considering who was running the show at the time? I mean the guy had a track record of gafs a mile long and people defended him on here like he was their brother. He might have been i don't know. They had some piss poor leadership that helped get this thing where it is today.
 
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I was NOT in the "hiring Dooley was a good hire" camp. I questioned it two years ago, and still have my doubts today, I believed then and still do today that we could have hired a name coach if we would have turned loose some coins.

That being said.... CDD is our coach and all these threads questioning him and his hire after only a year and a half is ridiculous and damaging to our program. If you do not believe that recruits read and post on this site, as well as their parents you are naive and need to check (especially in recruiting threads)

No one could be judged on their ability to rebuild a broken team like ours was in only 18-20 months or so, Some of you are still butt hurt over Fulmer and need to get behind this team and act like a real Vol fan.

I have been supporting this team sense 1965, I have lived through low times, and well remember going 0-6 and being blown out by Ga 45-0. I do NOT know if CDD is the answer, but he deserves a REAL opportunity to either prove himself or not

Now I need to go take a nap.... he he he he
 
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ImportedVoL said:
People questioning the dooley hire need to analyze a bit further and understand you can't take freshmen and win every game in the SEC no matter who you are.. it is retarded to think you can..

The only thing fans that are questioning this are doing is hurting the program, recruits will look at fan boards etc.. when making choices and seeing this junk will only make them hesitant to come here.

If we were blown out by GA, I could see the concern.. but that is not what happened by any stretch of the imagination, with freshman and 2 of our best players from the summer not able to play we still held GA to their lowest offensive output of the year and stayed in the game. I really do not see any cause for concern at this point and feel fans are severely over reacting and just making things worse.
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Win every game? How about have a chance to win a game not against UK, Vandy, or Ole Miss?

I understand the score of the UGA game (and the UF game) appears as if we were in those, but after halftime did you really feel we were in them? The only touchdown we scored was garbage (and lucky).
 
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Domestic Silence said:
Win every game? How about have a chance to win a game not against UK, Vandy, or Ole Miss?

I understand the score of the UGA game (and the UF game) appears as if we were in those, but after halftime did you really feel we were in them? The only touchdown we scored was garbage (and lucky).
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In the Georgia game? Absolutely.
 
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seaofORANGE22 said:
In the Georgia game? Absolutely.
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Really? When they went up 20-6 with about 5 min left in the 3rd, there was nothing in my mind that said our anemic offense could go down the field and score....then have our defense start getting some 3 and outs. Nothing said that. Nothing.
 
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UTWes said:
I guess it just sucks knowing Dooley probably isn't the guy, but we have to give him his time.
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That pretty well sums it up - his time being the standard 3 years. If/when Dooley is "relieved of his duties" after 2012, we have 2 things in our favor. We have a new AD; the previous one, Mike Hamilton, was clueless when it came to judging coaching talent. Second, Dooley will be let go at or near the end of 2012, giving us a chance at the top coaches looking to move on or up. Kiffin's resignation hurt us because it came 2 weeks before Signing Day. The only coaches willing to consider UT at that point in time were second-rate coaches at second-rate schools. Judging by the results so far, that is precisely what we got.
 
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Domestic Silence said:
Really? When they went up 20-6 with about 5 min left in the 3rd, there was nothing in my mind that said our anemic offense could go down the field and score....then have our defense start getting some 3 and outs. Nothing said that. Nothing.
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Are you kidding me? Our offense has been great all year long. Yeah call me crazy that I had a glimmer of hope that we could make that a game. You also said "after halftime." Right after halftime it was 6-6. Of course I thought we were in it. But I'm sure you just left early because no team in the history of football has ever come back from down 14 points with a quarter and half left to play.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
How dare you! Just because DD had a losing record in the WAC and is .500 while at UT doesn't mean anything. Just because he's about to drop 4 games below .500 at UT doesn't mean anything.
Just because our O-line (all returning starters) has regressed.
Just because our running game has regressed.
Just because our defense has regressed.
None of that means anything and the guy that's responsible to make sure things get better and gets paid millions to do so is not to be challenged and how dare you, me or any fan question the coach.
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Our defense has not regressed
 
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Give this young team at least 3years in the weight room grind and watch the results. We will be fine.
 
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I see lots of cry babies in this thread. Good grief guys.. grow up! So what if Dooley's not the guy to lead us to our next SEC Championship? He's still gonna be here through 2012. Why not show support right now instead of injecting negativity into the Tennessee football program?

MAYBE if you show some support, recruits won't be turned off by our fanbase and the coach you really want won't step into an empty cupboard situation like Dooley did. Use your brains guys. You're not helping the situation. Take a chill pill.
 
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Calling for Dooley's head right now is pointless. It isn't going to happen. Say you don't think he's the guy and move on. It's like beating your dog because we lost a game.
 
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