Dooley and LSU, plus two other notes

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OrangeVol79 said:
We don't have to recruit nationally. We have to recruit regionally (GA,FL,LA,NC,SC,and VA). Enough athletes in those states no reason to look elsewhere. If a kid lives outside of this area he better recruit us!
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I dont know if I can make my point correctly, but I was wondering if there was a way to get the average distance of recruits from there hometown to the recruiting schools. What I mean is, an example would be UT getting some Dalton, GA recruit but the actual distance from UT to Dalton is not as far distance as say Gainesville, Fl to Miami fl. Yet we would be classified as pulling a recruit from GA and Miami would be keeping instate talent home. Does that make since??

UT is so much a border state that we may be more localized recruiting wise than it appears because of the state borders.

Thoughts or am I off base??
 
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4D Vol said:
I dont know if I can make my point correctly, but I was wondering if there was a way to get the average distance of recruits from there hometown to the recruiting schools. What I mean is, an example would be UT getting some Dalton, GA recruit but the actual distance from UT to Dalton is not as far distance as say Gainesville, Fl to Miami fl. Yet we would be classified as pulling a recruit from GA and Miami would be keeping instate talent home. Does that make since??

UT is so much a border state that we may be more localized recruiting wise than it appears because of the state borders.

Thoughts or am I off base??
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Yes, that does make sense, and that's what a lot of people don't factor in. That in fact is the basis of Dooley's recruiting strategy. I forget what he calls it, but it is a four hour circle around knoxville. The key however is to get UT back to national prominence. It's been harder to get kids to UT recently because we've sucked eggs.
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#203
#203
OrangeVol79 said:
We don't have to recruit nationally. We have to recruit regionally (GA,FL,LA,NC,SC,and VA). Enough athletes in those states no reason to look elsewhere. If a kid lives outside of this area he better recruit us!
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That's not gonna happen.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Yeah and they have something called KY in a tube for you to lube up with so you can take it from UF, UA, AU, UGA, LSU, and USC and Texas a little easier. Then again maybe you like it rough....OK that was little over the top, but you call me a drama queen because I refuse to accept that we are Bama, Florida and LSUs little *itches. If you want to accept being second rate as our place in the natural order then that's your right. As for me I say screw that. As for Trojan/Kiffin*itchboy33, dude I straight up despise you and all your faux Vol Ilk. Back to ignoreland.
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Verci is just pointing out the sad truth of what Hambone has turned the Tennessee proram into, with his last 2 hirings
 
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#205
IMO, Dooley does have loyalty. First off, LaTech knew he wasn't gonna stay forever. Him leaving LaTech for TN is worlds apart from him leaving TN for LSU. Leaving LaTech for TN tripled his salary, moved him from one of the worst conferences and schools(athletically speaking) in the country to the premier conference and one of the top ten* jobs in the country. Moving from TN to LSU would be more of a lateral move and wouldn't triple his salary. I realize they may have a little easier recruiting but we have a better place to raise children which Dooley will consider. He is closer to his extended family here also. This IS a destination job for CDD. IMHO, Dooley won't leave as coach of the Vols until he gets fired or promoted to AD.

*This is based on other peoples perceptions also. I think we are actually in the top 5 considering tradition, history, conference affiliation, facilities, fan support, and location.
 
#206
#206
I think they would go after Bo Pelini first. He has actually proven he can win at a big time D1 school.
 
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PTVol said:
I think they would go after Bo Pelini first. He has actually proven he can win at a big time D1 school.
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Just like Dooley wasn't our #1 choice, neither will he be at LSU. These schools are not getting there #1 chioce anymore because of there insanely high expectations, competition in the SEC, and lack of loyalty. It takes a special person (clinacally INSANE) to trully want to coach in the SEC.
 
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PTVol said:
I think they would go after Bo Pelini first. He has actually proven he can win at a big time D1 eschool.
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I also believe Bo would want and take the LSU job. If you have followed him this year he has an inflammatory personality that I'm not sure Dr. Osborne likes. The latest flub with the Navy Sailor was bad....real bad.
 
#211
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I almost hope that Miles goes to Michigan and Dooley gets an LSU offer just so we can't know for certain that he's staying put and stop jumping at shadows.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Ill bet if you go back and look there were at least hundreds of post on VN alone that said Lane will never leave..
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so does that mean we need a thousand every time any job comes open anywhere in the country?

its a disgrace how insecure a lot of our fans are. like jilted lovers and it makes me sick too.

someday you all will move on, grow as a people and get over it....if anyone wants to leave at anytime theres nothing any of us can do about it.

theres just no need for another thread like this every 3 minutes, its sad cause this guy usually posts quality stuff and now ill just ignore him like so many others. i have no desire to be scared 24/7 that someone,anyone may leave. i dont follow football to worry myself to death
 
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sjt18 said:
Happens all the time.
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No it doesn't. No top recruit is going to recruit ANY University. I love UT. I am a alum. I am a donor. I am a season ticket holder, as are both of my parents. I have been conditioned since birth to love UT. But as a senior in high school I was recruited by multiple D-1 schools to play baseball (including UT). I took an OV to FSU. Not because I had any intention of going there, but because who would turn down a free trip to Florida. I hadn't been on campus more than a few hours when the Pitcher I was hanging out with told me he had some kind of meeting to go to. He dropped me off at the Kappa Delta Sorority house and told them to show me a good time. I was 17 from a very small town. This was the greatest thing that had ever happened to me.
Coaches are master's at selling the strengths of their University. They are master's at knowing what a recruit will respond to. No recruit will go out of his way to try and entice a University to want him while others shower him with love.
When was the last time the hottest girl around picked you, while guys were hanging all over her and you were ignoring her?
Rest assured, had I decided to for go the MLB draft, I was FSU bound.
 
#214
#214
It does happen- high school coaches send film and make calls to unversities all the time on behalf of players- that would be players recruiting the school!

Nice story though, stig!
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
I does happen- high school coaches send film and make calls to unversities all the time on behalf of players- that would be players recruiting the school!
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I agree with that but I think were talking about two different types of players. A 2 star guy needs to be noticed before being recruited. Coaches know the 4 and 5 star guys and are drooling over them.
 
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#216
The point I was making is that with a recruit that lives outside of our region- I would not make a trip to see him unless he has serious interest in us.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
The point I was making is that with a recruit that lives outside of our region- I would not make a trip to see him unless he has serious interest in us.
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Fair enough. But I want CDD on the moon if that's where the talent is.
 
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There are many recruiting philosophies, CLK choose to offer everybody under the moon and CDD seems to be more centralized to the south.
 
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manfromtn said:
IMO, Dooley does have loyalty. First off, LaTech knew he wasn't gonna stay forever. Him leaving LaTech for TN is worlds apart from him leaving TN for LSU. Leaving LaTech for TN tripled his salary, moved him from one of the worst conferences and schools(athletically speaking) in the country to the premier conference and one of the top ten* jobs in the country. Moving from TN to LSU would be more of a lateral move and wouldn't triple his salary. I realize they may have a little easier recruiting but we have a better place to raise children which Dooley will consider. He is closer to his extended family here also. This IS a destination job for CDD. IMHO, Dooley won't leave as coach of the Vols until he gets fired or promoted to AD.

*This is based on other peoples perceptions also. I think we are actually in the top 5 considering tradition, history, conference affiliation, facilities, fan support, and location.
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Bold #1: Kiffin doubled his salary, but I don't think many people care around here.

Bold #2: That is strictly your opinion and quite honestly the whole "it's a better place to raise your children" speak is bogus overall. Dooley isn't movin to downtown Compton. He's going to live in a nice place with the kind of money he makes.
 
#224
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checkerboards09 said:
You're comparing Dooley to Kiffin? wow
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They're pretty similar in at least one regard. They both left their respective schools high and dry last year when a better job offer came along. DD was in a lesser position at the time, but he also left his school without an AD when he bolted. These guys are in it for the money and most could honestly care less about a school and it's fans. That's just the nature of their business.
 
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OrangeVol79 said:
If you coach in Texas, Flordia, or California you don't even have to look out of state!
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While this is true and UTjr has the biggest advantage in this regard since they are more centrally located in their state than USC or UF, have you ever driven from one end of Texas, Florida, or California to the other end?

Texas is 790 miles x 660 miles.
Florida is 450 miles x 350 miles.
California is 770 miles x 250 miles.
Tennessee is 440 miles x 120 miles.

State boundaries really don't effect travel, so Dooley can surely find some pretty good talent within a 500 mile radius.
 
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