Dooley and his way of recruiting

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blitzinbuc said:
Thanks for the correction. If he doesn't win at least 8 games this year I can see trouble ahead for him.
I see that many of the same people saying last year to wait until 2011 are already saying wait till 2012. Just keep sliding the date out there folks. :)
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That's pretty much my feeling as well. Just keep giving him more time. Maybe we can be 6-6 for the next 10 years. I could handle these .500ish seasons a lot better if I truly saw that we were headed in the right direction, unfortunately right now I just don't. I see Dooley doing just enough to tread water and keep us where we are, but that's about all.
 
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kptvol said:
Right. I need to spend time proving that Hamilton was thinking hiring Lane Kiffin would appease people that were angry about Phil getting fired. Otherwise, everyone will believe you.
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The people in the know already know I'm correct. If you think I'm wrong then prove it.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
The point I'm making is that by all accounts, DD's name was never even once in serious consideration for the job in '08, a time when any sane person will admit his stock was at his highest. If Mike Hamilton truly though Dooley was the next Saban, surely he had to know of him during the '08 coaching search, and regardless of the public perception at the time, if he honestly believed that DD was Nick Saban v2.0, he would have been a fool to pass on him.
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I don't really disagree with that. I don't think MH was looking for a "Dooley" at that point. He was looking for Hollywood and got it. I think it is likely that Dooley made the long list but not even close on the short list.

What I would like to know is what happened during that 4-8 season where DD's team regressed SIGNIFICANTLY that then convinced Hamilton he was the next Saban? Something doesn't quite add up there.
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The situation at UT changed far more than the situation at LT. At the end of 08, UT was mired in the 2nd tier of the SEC and slipping. There was no excitement around the program. Fulmer was a monument to complacency and had completely lost his recruiting mojo.

Kiffin, on paper, was the perfect solution to that. He was brash, famed for recruiting, and anything but boring or complacent.

At the end of 09.... that was no longer attractive. Pedigree and stability suddenly became the most important things.
That's I personally believe that DD just caught a lucky break that no qualified coaches were interested and got the job just because Hamilton was willing to hire just about anyone who would take the job, regardless of whether they were deserving or not.
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I don't think DD is without talent or that he is necessarily unqualified. When you can't get an "A-list" guy because of the situation then you look at other factors that suggest success. With DD, he had done a good job at LT. He had won a championship with Saban and came with good endorsements. He was a legend's son with ties in your most important recruiting area- GA.

That said, had UT's roster been anything better than "crisis" then UT would have landed one of those bigger names IMHO.


As for Dave Clawson, he has proven himself a capable coach with the lone exception of the year he was forced to deal with Fulmer's incessant meddling. Does that mean he would have been a good coach at UT, we'll never know.
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Agree. Some try to blame him for Fulmer's demise. I think he was more a victim than a cause of Fulmer's mess.
 
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blitzinbuc said:
The people in the know already know I'm correct. If you think I'm wrong then prove it.
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How would that even make any sense? If someone honestly felt that Fulmer was what was best for UT, how would the hiring of someone that was such a polar opposite appease them?
 
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blitzinbuc said:
The people in the know already know I'm correct. If you think I'm wrong then prove it.
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Sure thing. Just called up my buddy Professor X and he assured me that Hamilton has never thought that. He also said only a simpleton would come up with such a senseless theory.
 
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Also loving that a former NFL head coach that had just interviewed with Clemson and is currently the head coach at USC couldn't find interest at any school other than UT.
 
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And I'm sure the insane timeframe for the second coaching search had nothing to do with who we targeted and hired. It was all based on concerns over secondary violations and such.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
How would that even make any sense? If someone honestly felt that Fulmer was what was best for UT, how would the hiring of someone that was such a polar opposite appease them?
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It's not that people thoght that Fulmer was what was best for UT, it's the ill-timed way and manner in which Hamilton chose to do it once he got the green light to let Fulmer go (another story). At that point Hamilton had to back up his word to the UT powers that he had a homerun hire to replcae Fulmer because there were still many UT fans who liked Fulmer and felt he deserved a better exit than he got. So, when Hamilton couldn't close the deal with whoem he thought would jump at the chance to come to UT, he had to go to plan B. Plan B backfired on him too and by then the natives were getting restless, and that's when Hamilton got swooned by Kiffin.
 
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blitzinbuc said:
It's not that people thoght that Fulmer was what was best for UT, it's the ill-timed way and manner in which Hamilton chose to do it once he got the green light to let Fulmer go (another story). At that point Hamilton had to back up his word to the UT powers that he had a homerun hire to replcae Fulmer because there were still many UT fans who liked Fulmer and felt he deserved a better exit than he got. So, when Hamilton couldn't close the deal with whoem he thought would jump at the chance to come to UT, he had to go to plan B. Plan B backfired on him too and by then the natives were getting restless, and that's when Hamilton got swooned by Kiffin.
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Hamilton wasn't the only one clamoring for Fulmer to be gone midseason. And the final say-so to make it happen occurred Tuesday night following the South Carolina game. And who is this mystery candidate you're talking about?
 
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kptvol said:
Hamilton wasn't the only one clamoring for Fulmer to be gone midseason. And the final say-so to make it happen occurred Tuesday night following the South Carolina game. And who is this mystery candidate you're talking about?
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Gruden, obviously.
 
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blitzinbuc said:
Replacement for Myles......are you serious? Dooley's name has never been even hinted about replacing ANY coach at any major University. :loco:
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Believe what you want. I am only repeating what I read from several sources including posters, bloggers, and even traditional media.

The year Dooley lead LT to a bowl game and beat MSU was the same year he lost to Nevada and Army.
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And? He was still coaching a team that basically had no talent.
That was Dooley's ONLY winning year at LT.
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He only coached there 3 years. He took over a bad program and by most informed accounts made it better.
Dooley's last year at LT, they won something like 4 games.
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According to LT fans that have posted here, about 20 starters suffered signficant injuries and missed games for a team that was expected to be much better. A loss is a loss but their last 5 losses that season were to Utah St, Idaho, Boise, LSU, and Fresno St... by a total of 23 pts. They lost by 10 to BSU and 8 to LSU. Their other 3 losses were by a total of 7 pts. In spite of being decimated by injuries, they were competing.
 
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blitzinbuc said:
Thanks for the correction. If he doesn't win at least 8 games this year I can see trouble ahead for him.
I see that many of the same people saying last year to wait until 2011 are already saying wait till 2012. Just keep sliding the date out there folks. :)
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Who is sliding their dates? Several here have suggested that Dooley needs/deserves five years or at least 4. I am on record as saying that UT cannot afford to give him more than 3 or at the most 4. If he doesn't make noise by then he will lose whatever recruiting momentum/credibility he has. That would make it pretty much inevitable that he would not succeed at UT. At the point where recruiting begins to suffer, UT has no choice but to cut a HC loose or else they risk long term damage.

But who specifically are you talking about? Do you really believe that the large group of fans who disagree with you must agree on how many years he should get? Are you so shallow that you require only one opposing opinion?
 
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kptvol said:
Also loving that a former NFL head coach that had just interviewed with Clemson and is currently the head coach at USC couldn't find interest at any school other than UT.
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Did Clemson make an offer to Kiffin, knowing he had interviewed with UT? Let me help you with the answer......NO!!!

He was 5th choice at USC. No one in their right mind would touch USC with the pending NCAA sanctions.
 
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Brent Hubbs, who is usually positive in his recruiting news most of the time, admitted that the staff is falling behind in recruiting. He said he didn't think they did their homework in the spring evaluation period.
 
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blitzinbuc said:
Did Clemson make an offer to Kiffin, knowing he had interviewed with UT? Let me help you with the answer......NO!!!

He was 5th choice at USC. No one in their right mind would touch USC with the pending NCAA sanctions.
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You don't make publicly advertised offers to people you know are going to say "no".
 
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sjt18 said:
Who is sliding their dates? Several here have suggested that Dooley needs/deserves five years or at least 4. I am on record as saying that UT cannot afford to give him more than 3 or at the most 4. If he doesn't make noise by then he will lose whatever recruiting momentum/credibility he has. That would make it pretty much inevitable that he would not succeed at UT. At the point where recruiting begins to suffer, UT has no choice but to cut a HC loose or else they risk long term damage.

But who specifically are you talking about? Do you really believe that the large group of fans who disagree with you must agree on how many years he should get? Are you so shallow that you require only one opposing opinion?
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I think any coach deserves 4 years. But, by their second year when they play a weak ooc schedule and against a weak SEC eat schedule, I'd expect a much better record that last season's. Which is why i say 8 wins should be the minimum - or NO contract extension and NO raise.
 
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blitzinbuc said:
It's quite elementary when they don't offer.
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Good stuff. So who's this mystery candidate UT evidently offered, but we didn't hear anything about said offer? Clearly there if you can't link me an article with direct quotes from Mike Hamilton offering the job to this coach then it never happened.
 
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Midfielder10 said:
Brent Hubbs, who is usually positive in his recruiting news most of the time, admitted that the staff is falling behind in recruiting. He said he didn't think they did their homework in the spring evaluation period.
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He may be right. He may be wrong. By most accounts, he doesn't have the access to insider info that he had with Fulmer or Kiffin.
 
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Midfielder10 said:
Brent Hubbs, who is usually positive in his recruiting news most of the time, admitted that the staff is falling behind in recruiting. He said he didn't think they did their homework in the spring evaluation period.
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You're right, Brent is usually positive about that. Not only are they falling behind in recruiting a little, it's been noted by a few people that this staff doesn't put in the hours that the previous two staffs did. Im concerned that Dooley doesn't know or have what it takes to be a contender in the SEC.
 
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