Dooley Already Lowering Expectations

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#901
Should look akin to an Okla St offense of just too much speed and too many weapons with a gunslinger.

I'm a negavol on Chaney though. He makes me nervous and is now reminding me of Weis with his mannerisms, weight, etc. Now it's in my head.
 
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JayVols said:
My Jewish great-grandmother always said, "Zshe Poyson vith zshe best cards doesn't alvays vin da hand."

You and my great-grandmother are correct. In fact, good to great coaches display their skill by getting every ounce out of what they have and then some. Horrible coaches snatch defeat from the jaws of victory no matter their talent level.
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oy vey
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Should look akin to an Okla St offense of just too much speed and too many weapons with a gunslinger.

I'm a negavol on Chaney though. He makes me nervous and is now reminding me of Weis with his mannerisms, weight, etc. Now it's in my head.
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Everytime I watched a gator game last year I saw him sit on a cooler at one point. I'm convinced it was full of canned gravy so weis could feel more comfortable.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
UGAs offense is pathetic and the D is akin to ours. SCe's offense is going to struggle and its best defenders are gone. UF has no OLine, no QB, no RBs and no WRs, otherwise, they're solid.

Ours will be the best offense in the East. If we can run it at all, it won't even be close. Our defense, with any eye toward contain can flat out play the run, which gives us a leg up on where we've been.
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Not setting the edge resulting in zero contain, is the disturbing defensive equivalent to our lack of run blocking. These aspects are the foundation for the defense/offense. Given our total inability to do either, it's no surprise that instead of having a solid house, we have been a house of cards that crumbles at the slightest wind.

We are of the same mindset, BPV. If a defense can't contain, they can't do much of anything. The 3-4 will get our contain personnel off the LOS, and hopefully give them better angles, prevent them from getting hooked/sealed with ease, and give our ILBs a chance to make plays when the ball carriers are forced back inside. Then again, the contain defender is still lined up on the LOS in many 3-4 sets, so who knows.

Contain isn't that difficult of a technique to teach:

1. Read steps of the blocker/read and react to the blocker's pressure/leverage.

2. Keep your outside arm clean (free)/fight ACROSS the face of the blocker (dip and rip technique is useful if the blocker has a good angle on the defender to get across the face).


3. Be DISCIPLINED to play YOUR responsibility and don't bite on ball fakes trying to be a hero.


4. Stalemate the play by stringing it out. Use the sideline as an extra defender if you can't get off the block. Eventually, the ball carrier will run OB or will cut back inside into LB pursuit.

It's not Rocket Surgery, yet we have been worse than inept getting it done. It's the most puzzling and frustrating blunders of our defense. It doesn't require All-American level talent or a great deal of experience (there goes the youth, depth, no talent excuses) to set the edge. It does require technique, a hard-nosed attitude, discipline, and effort to be solid on contain. We haven't had an abundace of those 4 qualities in the recent past.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Damn, I know we have to run the ball, but I get a pic of:

Bray
Hunter wide left
Rivera
DY/Lane ready for a dump off or check down
DR slot Right
CP wide right

And don't know how we don't throw up some points on every team in the east. That's the most potentially dangerous O that I can remember since the Harper, Morgan, Pickens days, iirc.
I still think that we have to win with our strength and it's in the passing game. If we can count on just 3.5 ypc, Chaney shouldn't be stopped much.

My biggest concern on this team is that he shouldn't, but will be stopped often. The whole year really hinges on his gameplan and playcalling, imo.
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If we are forced to throw 40-50 times/game every game, we're screwed. Our defense will be gassed by the 4th quarter.

I'm not saying we don't need to throw the ball often, we should utilize our strengths. What I am saying is that if we rely too much on the passing game, we very well could have a repeat of last year where we have an injury and our offense becomes as flaccid as a 110 year old man that has had his Viagra stolen. Our defense will also suffer. We MUST have a run game. I'm not saying we have to rush for 200 yds/game, but our run game has to be a threat. Opposing defenses must respect our run game. If they don't, it's going to be hell on our defense due to being on the field too much. We have to take some pressure off our D.
 
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JayVols said:
If we are forced to throw 40-50 times/game every game, we're screwed. Our defense will be gassed by the 4th quarter.

I'm not saying we don't need to throw the ball often, we should utilize our strengths. What I am saying is that if we rely too much on the passing game, we very well could have a repeat of last year where we have an injury and our offense becomes as flaccid as a 110 year old man that has had his Viagra stolen. Our defense will also suffer. We MUST have a run game. I'm not saying we have to rush for 200 yds/game, but our run game has to be a threat. Opposing defenses must respect our run game. If they don't, it's going to be hell on our defense due to being on the field too much. We have to take some pressure off our D.
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Agree. I just think of how dangerous a specific lineup or two could be.
I'd just like to see more quick hit runs and fewer delays that are screwed when there is penetration. I also liked what I saw and have heard out of Tom Smith. His style, with Jay Graham as coach and a meaner line may become a good go to on short yardage, where we have struggled.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
UGAs offense is pathetic and the D is akin to ours. SCe's offense is going to struggle and its best defenders are gone. UF has no OLine, no QB, no RBs and no WRs, otherwise, they're solid.

Ours will be the best offense in the East. If we can run it at all, it won't even be close. Our defense, with any eye toward contain can flat out play the run, which gives us a leg up on where we've been.
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Laughable.

Best defenders are gone? J. Clowney, anyone?

UF is the most arguable. They still have more talent on the roster. Talent wins games.
 
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JayVols said:
If we are forced to throw 40-50 times/game every game, we're screwed. Our defense will be gassed by the 4th quarter.

I'm not saying we don't need to throw the ball often, we should utilize our strengths. What I am saying is that if we rely too much on the passing game, we very well could have a repeat of last year where we have an injury and our offense becomes as flaccid as a 110 year old man that has had his Viagra stolen. Our defense will also suffer. We MUST have a run game. I'm not saying we have to rush for 200 yds/game, but our run game has to be a threat. Opposing defenses must respect our run game. If they don't, it's going to be hell on our defense due to being on the field too much. We have to take some pressure off our D.
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The reality is that our offense will have to pass to set up the run. That being said, you can still be very successful with that mindset with the proper scheme.

Our gameplan should be akin to the Patriots/Saints/Packers on offense. I think that, relative to the college game, our rbs have a great chance to excel in the gash/misdirection/draw scheme. Hopefully that will pan out. And pan out better than simply having D. Rogers run the edge.
 
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#912
will need the tightend to really be effiecient, as well.
i'd like to see bray take the short to mid range throws, to a TE and RB in the flat instead of looking for the HR ball..get the safeties cheating up with short thorws and a good running game..then kill 'em with rodgers over the top
 
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vol_in_il said:
will need the tightend to really be effiecient, as well.
i'd like to see bray take the short to mid range throws, to a TE and RB in the flat instead of looking for the HR ball.
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This is pretty much how we schemed Cincinnati. Granted, Cincy didn't have an SEC caliber D, I still think that it is an indicator of what we should expect when healthy.
 
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Kurtastrophe said:
The reality is that our offense will have to pass to set up the run. That being said, you can still be very successful with that mindset with the proper scheme.

Our gameplan should be akin to the Patriots/Saints/Packers on offense. I think that, relative to the college game, our rbs have a great chance to excel in the gash/misdirection/draw scheme. Hopefully that will pan out. And pan out better than simply having D. Rogers run the edge.
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If our blocking doesn't improve significantly over last year, we'll get killed on misdirection/counters. The longer it takes a play to develop, the longer the block must be held. We had no blocking last year even on a dive.
 
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vol_in_il said:
will need the tightend to really be effiecient, as well.
i'd like to see bray take the short to mid range throws, to a TE and RB in the flat instead of looking for the HR ball..get the safeties cheating up with short thorws and a good running game..then kill 'em with rodgers over the top
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Not trying to be confrontational at all, but Roger's strength is crossing routes/middle of the field routes not go/fade routes. He's a physical specimin that can be more than deadly in the middle. Use Rogers to occupy the safeties/LBs and force the corners to defend Hunter and Patterson on the deep stuff. We know what Hunter can do on the deep ball. If Patterson is as fast/good as hyped and can catch, whatever defenses do they're dead. Rogers kills them if they run zone. Hunter/Patterson kills their corners in man. Will be fun to watch if they all make it to fall.
 
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JayVols said:
Not trying to be confrontational at all, but Roger's strength is crossing routes/middle of the field routes not go/fade routes. He's a physical specimin that can be more than deadly in the middle. Use Rogers to occupy the safeties/LBs and force the corners to defend Hunter and Patterson on the deep stuff. We know what Hunter can do on the deep ball. If Patterson is as fast/good as hyped and can catch, whatever defenses do they're dead. Rogers kills them if they run zone. Hunter/Patterson kills their corners in man. Will be fun to watch if they all make it to fall.
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Yeah, I would think with both Rivera and Rogers working the middle of the field, anything a defense does is going to create a mismatch on one of them.

That could lead to huge yards if your best corners are halfway down the field trying to keep up with our guys running the 10 second 100m.
 
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#918
UT's#1Fan said:
"I resign" would please me.
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Of couse it would. You want UT to fail, and the program to take another dive back into the depths.

Everyone knows you're not a UT fan.

UT's#1Fan said:
allvol123's dismantling of you is quite entertaining. Please don't stop. One more round?
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No one is impressed that one of your sockpuppets backed you up. You, yourself are a sockpuppet.
 
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JayVols said:
If our blocking doesn't improve significantly over last year, we'll get killed on misdirection/counters. The longer it takes a play to develop, the longer the block must be held. We had no blocking last year even on a dive.
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I agree and I don't believe it was due to a lack of ability, which is why the proper scheme is important. I think year one for that line was so focused on protecting the QB that it effected the run scheme in year two.

Since I believe this line has significant talent, my hope is that with Hiestand moving on, we will see some strides.

Regardless, the power run will be nearly nonexistent with this offense. Tom Smith is really our only power back, unless Hill can make an impact.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah, I would think with both Rivera and Rogers working the middle of the field, anything a defense does is going to create a mismatch on one of them.

That could lead to huge yards if your best corners are halfway down the field trying to keep up with our guys running the 10 second 100m.
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Rogers working the slot with Hunter and Patterson on the outside and Rivera/Clear (hopefully) on the ends would be pretty solid and that is probably an understatement.
 
#921
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RockyTop85 said:
Yeah, I would think with both Rivera and Rogers working the middle of the field, anything a defense does is going to create a mismatch on one of them.

That could lead to huge yards if your best corners are halfway down the field trying to keep up with our guys running the 10 second 100m.
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Exactly.
 
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Kurtastrophe said:
I agree and I don't believe it was due to a lack of ability, which is why the proper scheme is important. I think year one for that line was so focused on protecting the QB that it effected the run scheme in year two.

Since I believe this line has significant talent, my hope is that with Hiestand moving on, we will see some strides.

Regardless, the power run will be nearly nonexistent with this offense. Tom Smith is really our only power back, unless Hill can make an impact.
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Scheme is key to be sure, but don't forget mindset as well. Last year we went in with the plan of slinging it everywhere. When the monkey wrench was thrown into the plan, we were left with an OL with a pass-happy mindset. This passive mindset is not conducive to run blocking. To run the ball especially in the SEC, it takes some mean nasty SOBs that want to punch the DL and LBs in the mouth and make them like it. Our scheme last year was more like 300+lb linemen that are big enough to go bear hunting with a switch wearing tutus wanting to do pirouettes and plies with the DL and LBs. I'm ready to get back to some old school punch you in the mouth nastiness along the lines of a Cosey Coleman.
 
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#924
More to the original post, I do think Dooley's mouth led to a lot of problems last year in regards to losing the locker room. I would love for him to take notes when Sunseri is talking. All I want to hear from him is that UT fans will be proud of the product he puts on the field, and that he is ultimately responsible for insuring that regardless of perception of talent and youth.
 
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#925
#925
JayVols said:
My Jewish great-grandmother always said, "Zshe Poyson vith zshe best cards doesn't alvays vin da hand."

You and my great-grandmother are correct. In fact, good to great coaches display their skill by getting every ounce out of what they have and then some. Horrible coaches snatch defeat from the jaws of victory no matter their talent level.
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To me that's difference between the good coaches and the average ones. Most coaches can win with supperior talent, otherwise they don't stay in coaching very long.
 
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