Don't care where the "expert analysts" rank us........

#76
#76
marcusluvsvols said:
This class is OUTSTANDING at filling the holes in our roster. Last years class was so good at filling holes that we won 6 out of our last 7 games. With only 63 kids. That means the teams we played had 22 more kids than us. ...1 for EVERY position on both sides of the ball...and we STILL beat them.

Amazing job by CJP. Great strategy and execution. This guy can flat out recruit.
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I'm not quite sure you understand the context of 63 here.

Correct me if i'm wrong here, but that is maybe non-injured, scholarship players at the time.
 
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#79
The 63 number also excluded players Pruitt was choosing to redshirt.

To the rankings mean nothing crowd, sorry, but when LSU/Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson/Oklahoma/Georgia etc keep signing top 5/10 type classes and also stay in CFB Playoff contention, it's probably not a coincidence.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Oh no....you done, done did it now! Be prepared to get yelled at when VolsGrad1989 reads this. Lulz!
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LittleVol said:
What do you mean by a good margin?
Position group for group "where" did UGA beat us at in this cycle?

Would you argue that UGA had a better freshman class then we did last year??
How many freshman All-Americans did we have this year??

You and many other can cling to these silly rankings if you want. Football is about playing full speed (coaching) and developing the available talent. Our past two classes are developing faster than others, because the necessity to play AND the top grade coaching their getting.

UGA has six 4 star WRs on their roster?
How did that passing game look last year??

We've created an identity and we are loading up..UGA has just out talented everyone. But that is starting to fail. LSU didn't have anymore than them, but they were better coached and their players played faster and beat the brakes of UGA.
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All that and we still lost by 4 TDs to them...again.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
The 63 number also excluded players Pruitt was choosing to redshirt.

To the rankings mean nothing crowd, sorry, but when LSU/Alabama/Ohio State/Clemson/Oklahoma/Georgia etc keep signing top 5/10 type classes and also stay in CFB Playoff contention, it's probably not a coincidence.
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Highly coincidental
 
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I40flyer said:
Does anyone know how recruiting class rankings have actually played out-over 4 seasons? Are they a good judge of the talent, or are they, as many have suggested, just something 247 and others put out, in order to sell ad space? I'm sure someone can point out a player here and there that developed far better than his HS ranking, or just the opposite, I'd be far more interested in the entire class rankings, year after year, and how it has played out in Team Rankings, championships etc.
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I believe it was DeAndre Baker from UGA that was a three-star and CJP recruited/helped develop him into an amazing NFL prospect.
 
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#87
Congrats To Coach Pruitt & Your Staff. Thanks for the early Christmas gift!
 
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LittleVol said:
Would you argue that UGA had a better freshman class then we did last year??
How many freshman All-Americans did we have this year??
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To be fair, how much playing time do freshman get on UGA's team?

Not much oportunity to become a freshman AA on their team.
 
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OffTackleVol said:
This is a very impressive class. Two contrasting QB's, one of which will play another position as well. Size and speed at the LB position. 2-3 burners out wide. On tape, what looks to be aggressive, athletic offensive linemen, and IMO the best DL haul in several years. Couple of DB's that could have signed with anyone. Maybe a true "stud" running back is all that's missing.
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Very good summation imo.
 
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Boca Vol said:
What did I shout my mouth off about? I simply asked a question.

By they way, your math simply doesn't add up and I think you misheard what Pruitt said. Just for you, I did some research about UT's roster and here is an article I found following the UF game: Roster Analysis: Makeup of Vols' Team After More Transfers | RTI

Again, if UT only had 63 scholarship players and you subtract another 15-20 due to graduation and transfers that would leave UT somewhere between 40-45 scholarship players. Add 25 from this year's recruiting class and UT is still in the 60's. If that's true, UT will never get to 85.

Edit: Here is UT's roster: https://utsports.com/sports/football/roster

There is around 115 players listed. I don't think there are 50+ walk-ons on the roster.
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Ok, Pruitt didn't know how many available scholarship players he had this year. You know better than him. That is the end of the conversation!

63 Scholarship Players ... What?
 
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#95
cgrish said:
6'2" 230 lbs. runs 40 in 4.47. 3 star but don't understand why with that size and speed, sounds like a good power rb. nephew of Randall Cobb Green bay packers, wr I think wr, not sure of position.
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1. Don’t believe he’s quite that heavy, think he’s closer to 215-220
2. no chance he runs a legit 4.47
 
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I40flyer said:
Does anyone know how recruiting class rankings have actually played out-over 4 seasons? Are they a good judge of the talent, or are they, as many have suggested, just something 247 and others put out, in order to sell ad space? I'm sure someone can point out a player here and there that developed far better than his HS ranking, or just the opposite, I'd be far more interested in the entire class rankings, year after year, and how it has played out in Team Rankings, championships etc.
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Since the creation of the BCS there have only been 2 teams to win the national championship that didn’t have a 4 year average recruiting ranking in the top 10. Texas in 2005 and Auburn in 2010. Texas took smaller classes in 04 and 05 so they had a lower total class ranking. If you use average player ranking from those classes then they were in the top 10. Auburn had Cam Newton, arguably one of the best CFB players ever.

Basically if you want to win a championship you either need top 10 classes, smaller classes full of 5 star players, or one of the 10 best CFB players ever at QB (AU’s 4 yr avg recruiting was still in the teens).
 
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sjt18 said:
Butch cared about what Rivals and 247 said... Pruitt doesn't. Pruitt may still fail... but he's doing his own evals.
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Butch won 9 games in back to back seasons and was a good kicker away from going 11-1 in 2015. A bad coach with bad talent doesn’t beat UGA back to back, beat UF, and win 18 games in 2 years. Either Butch was a bad coach with elite talent or he was a good coach with overrated talent.

He brought in large classes b/c Dooley had left the cupboard bare and the rules allowed it. A lot of the high rated players he signed were legacy recruits. His staff’s talent evaluation and recruiting ability was top notch. Their main failures were player development, player accountability, unwillingness to adapt to player changes, and poor game day coaching.
 
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08Vol said:
Butch won 9 games in back to back seasons and was a good kicker away from going 11-1 in 2015. A bad coach with bad talent doesn’t beat UGA back to back, beat UF, and win 18 games in 2 years. Either Butch was a bad coach with elite talent or he was a good coach with overrated talent.

He brought in large classes b/c Dooley had left the cupboard bare and the rules allowed it. A lot of the high rated players he signed were legacy recruits. His staff’s talent evaluation and recruiting ability was top notch. Their main failures were player development, player accountability, unwillingness to adapt to player changes, and poor game day coaching.
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You can "if" a lot of things. If Dobbs had decided to go somewhere else, he prolly gets fired after the 3rd or 4th season.

He had some high end talent for sure. It wasn't enough to overcome his other issues. The "smoke and mirrors" lead to classes in the mid teens after his 2 big classes.
 
#99
#99
DiderotsGhost said:
Recruiting class rankings are correlated with success on the field, but it's also a bit of a "chicken and the egg" problem.

Sure, teams with higher class rankings tend to do better, but that's because the recruiting services tend to give players higher ratings who are courted by top-tier programs (e.g. Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, etc). Ultimately, the recruiting services are mostly just copy-cats and it's not their expertise that's "correct" so much as the scouting and evaluation by the top programs.
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That’s a pretty easy theory to test. Let’s see how many 3* players in the 2020 class are committed to the top 5 classes.
Clemson - 6 signed
Alabama - 3 signed 1 committed
Ohio State - 9 signed (1 is a kicker)
Georgia - 3 signed (1 is a kicker)
LSU - 5 signed 1committed

Excluding kickers, 21% of the top 5 classes are 3* players. If recruiting sites are just looking at what the top programs do and copying their rankings then they are doing a bad job at it.
 
#100
#100
VolsGrad1989 said:
You must have not done much research on the team during your 22,000 posts!!! 63 was the roster number for 2019.
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63 were the available scholarship players for a certain game. The 63 ignored players who were out injured and players who were redshirting. It was just coach speak since the redshirt players can play 4 games now so they were 100% available for the game he was talking about.
 
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