Does the type of school we have determine if athletes come here?

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Voldemonium said:
Trust me, I wish this were the case but it isn't. Not that I take this as gospel but USNews lists us at #101. Well below Auburn #82, Bama #75, Georgia #62, & Florida #58. Tennessee administrators need to get their crap together. There's no reason for UT to be in the bottom half of the SEC especially following the addition of ATM #58 and Missouri #90.
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I have never looked too deeply into those rankings but I have never heard anyone describe how they are actually created. I would love to see the algorithm.

In my view, if UT wanted to immediately increase its reputation it would jettison it's liberal arts programs (leave that to UT-C, UT-M, MTSU et al) and focus on the B.S. programs that are generally well regarded. Back in the old days (late 90's to early 00's) UT had a top five architecture program, a top five advertising program and a well regarded business school. Who knows what has happened there since I left, but that was the case. Don't let the number 101 scare you too badly though, at last count there were something like 1400 colleges on the US News and World Report ranking. Being in the top 100 of 1400 is pretty solid. The actual number of colleges in the US is something like 2364 according to the DoEd. Either way, not a bad school. Don't quote my numbers, they are for reference only. ;)
 
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daj2576 said:
I have never looked too deeply into those rankings but I have never heard anyone describe how they are actually created. I would love to see the algorithm.

In my view, if UT wanted to immediately increase its reputation it would jettison it's liberal arts programs (leave that to UT-C, UT-M, MTSU et al) and focus on the B.S. programs that are generally well regarded. Back in the old days (late 90's to early 00's) UT had a top five architecture program, a top five advertising program and a well regarded business school. Who knows what has happened there since I left, but that was the case. Don't let the number 101 scare you too badly though, at last count there were something like 1400 colleges on the US News and World Report ranking. Being in the top 100 of 1400 is pretty solid. The actual number of colleges in the US is something like 2364 according to the DoEd. Either way, not a bad school. Don't quote my numbers, they are for reference only. ;)
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I'm not sure where you get the idea UT's academic integrity has decreased the past 12yrs. In fact, it's actually the polar opposite. The average GPA and ACT/SAT score's for incoming freshmen have increased every year. UT has made huge upgrades in academic facilities like the new business building(considered one of the best in the country), new engineering building(also considered one of the best in the country), new public policy building, and the remodeling of the old gym into nice classroom space as well as a complete renovation of Ayers. The music building was recently demolished and a new building is under construction while they have plans for a new humanities among numerous other campus upgrades. They're also building a new student health center and UC.

I suggest you check out the master plan posted online. The administrators are giving UT a complete face-lift while also increasing the academic standards. In the late 90's UT was considered nothing more than a party school, this is no longer the case.
 
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Coastypop said:
Each case is different and each recruit has their own goals and expectations from a program. I am sure there are some cases where we do not offer (educationally or otherwise) what a recruit is looking for
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Nice post. That's what recruiting is all about. It is what makes a good recruiter and allows some to fail. Recruiting goes beyond athletics and has to touch the expectations of not only the student but the parents and others that are close to the situation. I loved the Duke campus; I liked the coach at Alabama; my parents preferred Ga Tech; and I chose UT because my girlfriend was going there!
 
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daj2576 said:
Speed of growth and overall size of the university have nothing to do with the quality of education. In fact, that might actually indicate the inverse. If your assumption was correct then a little school called Harvard (for instance) would be considered less of a school than mighty "K-State". Harvard is not growing all that fast nor is it all that large, right? The education there must be terrible.

Community colleges and for profit schools are growing due to their ease of access and their desire to over-cater to the student. Believe me, the quality of the education is not a factor. I am not disparaging all of these institutions but I am disparaging your effort to equate growth and size with quality. They are not connected.

I would have assumed that somewhere hidden deep in your MBA they would have taught you simple things like "data analysis". But you know what they say about what happens when one assumes...
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Kennesaw State is a long way from the Ivy League, but it's no community college.
 
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volberry said:
BY that I mean
1. If our institution doesn't seem like we offer a good education is that enough to drive their family away to another school?
2. If the admissions process is too hard is that considered a negative to recruits and their families?
3. If the faculty have a history of treating players bad does that effect decisions?
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I like this version better:
1. If our institution offers a good education, is that enough to drive their family away to another school?
2. If the admissions process is hard is that considered a positive to recruits and their families?
3. If the faculty have a history of treating players and other students equally, does that effect decisions?
 
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College athletes studies guided toward 'major in eligibility' - USATODAY.com

Most athletes don't care about their education in the major sports, plain and simple. Even when some are concerned, they are often under qualified for the university and funneled into majors described in that article. It is a racket.

Athletes that do care hopefully realize its almost purely based off that university's particular program that they are interested in. Also for plenty of programs, you can make the argument that networking is more important. For other programs, it doesn't really matter where you go to undergraduate but is really about going to a reputable graduate program (for instance an undergraduate psychology or sociology with no further education isn't likely to help your job prospects) and going to UT is doubtful to hurt your chances at getting into a good graduate program for most disciplines.
 
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PermaVol said:
I'm not sure where you get the idea UT's academic integrity has decreased the past 12yrs. In fact, it's actually the polar opposite. The average GPA and ACT/SAT score's for incoming freshmen have increased every year. UT has made huge upgrades in academic facilities like the new business building(considered one of the best in the country), new engineering building(also considered one of the best in the country), new public policy building, and the remodeling of the old gym into nice classroom space as well as a complete renovation of Ayers. The music building was recently demolished and a new building is under construction while they have plans for a new humanities among numerous other campus upgrades. They're also building a new student health center and UC.

I suggest you check out the master plan posted online. The administrators are giving UT a complete face-lift while also increasing the academic standards. In the late 90's UT was considered nothing more than a party school, this is no longer the case.
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I was not, at all, suggesting that the school had declined since I left, in fact I was suggesting the opposite but only commenting that "I can't say" what has happened since I left, since I have no first hand knowledge. To boil down the point: the University was much better 12 years ago than people gave it credit for, and is probably better now. I do stand behind jettisoning the liberal arts programs though, but that is a discussion for another day...
 
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GAVol said:
Kennesaw State is a long way from the Ivy League, but it's no community college.
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I didn't say that K-State is a community college, nor did I say it was Ivy league. I was just saying that growth and size are not any indicator of quality.

Let me restate with another comparison: Wal Mart is one of the biggest retail outlets in the United States (if not the biggest) but I doubt anyone would argue that although it is huge and still growing, that it is not the place to go to get quality goods, right? It is just easy to access and cheap. That makes it popular.
 
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PermaVol said:
I'm not sure where you get In the late 90's UT was considered nothing more than a party school, this is no longer the case.
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Again, you should see my post about the strength of the Architecture, and Advertising programs back then. I don't know what they rank now, but being top five in the public university system back then was nothing to disparage. I hope that UT continues to increase their standards and becomes the institution to the outside world that those few of us who actually graduate know that it is and has been.

Yes, around the time of the 1998 national championship (which I had the honor of seeing in person) UT also garnered the distinction from playboy as being a top five party school. In most any large public institution you will see there is a large disconnect between students and those people who are there for the "college experience". UT offered such a diverse array of degrees that there seemed to be many more majoring in the "college experience" then those who were actual "students". I hope that has changed, but there are plenty of people in the "real world" with a very well respected degree from UT in their fields, and you will see the "others" who have a worthless piece of paper in the euro-asian philosophy of basket weaving, or some such nonsense.
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Sad thing is, I understood everything he wrote.......
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LOL, I was waiting for this post. I wasn't poking fun at UT, just education in general. I hear and see some incredible examples from my fellow UGA friends/associates as well. (Some people are so defensive!). Thanks for making me laugh today my friend! :)
 
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Originally Posted by jefferson
Were a top 50 public school

According to who? Look at the rankings again.

Does he mean "were" as in "was in the past? :whistling:
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
According to who? Look at the rankings again.
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DaytonLawVol said:
Ive seriously never heard of anyone brag about going to Kennesaw State.
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Do you live in Metro Atlanta? I know many very bright kids who attend KSU. I know several who didn't quite have the 4.0+ that it takes to get into UGA, but who didn't want to go out-of-state, who chose KSU. I'm guessing the ones who are dissing KSU simply don't know what they're talking about.
 
#43
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Fact of life: If you can run/pass/block/kick in any combination - the admission process becomes very very easy..Post college life - alumni will hire you, you are OK.....
 
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