Does Tennessee Need A Dedicated QB Coach?

[vegasvolfan]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

 

[CA_Vol]

Have you seen our QB play?

 

[vegasvolfan]

Have you seen our QB play?

Yes, I also saw our OL play. Now that said, I will ask the question again. Maybe you didn’t read the entire post.

 

[volfannbama]

Listening to coach Matthews I see.

 

[photovol]

Tennessee has everything it needs right now and has Vanderbilt right where they want them

 

[vegasvolfan]

Listening to coach Matthews I see.

Nope, just noticing a lot of people want Alabama’s QB Coach Enos as our OC, and that program happens to be a Dynasth and does it differently than we do at this juncture.

 

[vegasvolfan]

Tennessee has everything it needs right now and has Vanderbilt right where they want them

 

[VolForLife83]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

Peyton still used Cut up until he retired. Yes, a QB needs a coach

 

[vegasvolfan]

Peyton still used Cut up until he retired. Yes, a QB needs a coach

The question is whether or not they need a >dedicated< QB coach

 

[V@l4Life]

I can't wrap my head around the fact we have a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback already on staff and he's not the QB coach.

 

[vegasvolfan]

Maybe you didn’t notice I said >dedicated< QB coach. Helton i.e. was not a dedicated coach and we struggled, albeit partially due to a lackluster OL. However, we seemed fine with Cutcliff splitting OC and QB coaching duties.

 

[vegasvolfan]

I can't wrap my head around the fact we have a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback already on staff and he's not the QB coach.

I was wondering the same thing.

 

[VolForLife83]

The question is whether or not they need a >dedicated< QB coach

Yes

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

NCAA went to 10 assistants in January.

 

[wrangler]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

It went up to 10 assistant coaches this year. Discussed at length in the threads about coaching hires when Pruitt was hired.

Nice to have someone who can coach QBs well, and develop them, but unimportant what that coach's title is, and if it's combined with other duties, as long as he's got sufficient availability to do the jobs.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Also don't see Pruitt giving up a defensive spot to add a dedicated QB coach so someone else would have to pull double duty.

Having O line double down on TE duties seems to be best since the TE is not a major part of most offensive schemes anymore other than blocking duties.

Given that QB is the most important offensive position on the field, it makes sense to me to have a dedicated coach for the position.

 

[chargervol]

It went up to 10 assistant coaches this year. Discussed at length in the threads about coaching hires when Pruitt was hired.

Nice to have someone who can coach QBs well, and develop them, but unimportant what that coach's title is, and if it's combined with other duties, as long as he's got sufficient availability to do the jobs.

This is correct. No matter the title, each team has someone working with QBs.
Looking at OP's list, Bama had a "dedicated" QB coach and UGA didn't.
Both had excellent QB play.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

Take away Dobbs natural talent and how did we do under CBJ without a dedicated QB Coach (other than a Grad Asst).

Now Weinke could double up as RB and QB Coach but I think that would be spreading his time too thinly amongst the playmakers.

 

[tennesseepride84]

I read your post vegas and it was sensible and logical. So to answer you question i would say it would help more than hurt to have a dedicated qb coach, that way all his time and effort can be geared toward those qb's without the focus of game planning and scheming that oc's have to do.

 

[JMSqb11]

I don’t want an OC who wouldn’t be a QB coach as well.

 

[volfannbama]

I can't wrap my head around the fact we have a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback already on staff and he's not the QB coach.

Hmmm....weird huh

 

[Creamsicle82]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

Georgia’s OC coaches tight ends.

 

[VolsFan-TX]

I can't wrap my head around the fact we have a Heisman Trophy winning quarterback already on staff and he's not the QB coach.

I have no knowledge of the rationale, but perhaps Weinke asked (or made a condition of employment) to coach a different position to better prepare himself for a future OC role. He was a QB coach with the Rams for two seasons.

 

[vegasvolfan]

It went up to 10 assistant coaches this year. Discussed at length in the threads about coaching hires when Pruitt was hired.

Nice to have someone who can coach QBs well, and develop them, but unimportant what that coach's title is, and if it's combined with other duties, as long as he's got sufficient availability to do the jobs.

Regarding the fact it was discussed at length, I am certain it was! But worth discussing again considering he gets a replay so soonafter!

 

[Batman1948]

To all of you experts, here is a chance to educate some of us and a chance for everyone to chime in on whether or not we need a dedicated QB coach.

Per In college football, you can’t have too many assistant coaches, NCAA rules allow FBS teams a head coach, nine assistant coaches and four graduate assistants, all authorized for hands-on work with players.

That said it seems per UT sports, we have 10 Assistants, so I am a bit confused:

• Tyson Helton, offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach
• Will Friend, offensive line coach
• Chris Weinke, running backs coach
• David Johnson, wide receivers coach
• Brian Niedermeyer, tight ends coach
• Kevin Sherrer, defensive coordinator/inside linebackers
• Chris Rumph, co-defensive coordinator/outside linebackers
• Charles Kelly, special teams coordinator/safeties coach
• Terry Fair, cornerbacks coach
• Tracy Rocker, defensive line coach

I have noticed some programs have a dedicated QB coach while others spilt duties between OC and QB coaching. In fact it is pretty much an even split in the SEC. See this list:

SEC programs with dedicated QB duties:

SC
Vandy
Arkansas
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi State

SEC Programs with QB and CoOC duties:
Kentucky

SEC Programs with OC as QB duties:
Missouri
LSU
Auburn
Georgia
Ole Miss
Texas A&M

I am still learning about the ins and outs of staffing, so I do not know what coaching change would need to be made, but it seems the QB position is so important it makes sense to have a dedicated coach for that position. But if you have to split coaching duties with at least one offensive position (OL, RB, TE, QB, WR, QB), it also makes sense for the same coach who knows/runs the offense from the sidelines to coach the individual who runs the offense on the field (the QB).

All that said, do you think we should continue to allocate QB coaching duties to the OC, or do you think we should shake things up? Also, do you think that depends on who we bring in as OC?

Dobbs didn't have a QB coach and I believe it really hurt his performance. His athletic ability took over on busted plays. We don't have anyone near Dobbs athletic ability at the QB position. My answer is yes, we need a QB coach with the ability to develop every QB on our roster.

The NCAA passed a rule that allowed college teams have10 assistants on their staff about a year ago.