Does Probation/Scholarship Reduction end 2028?

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I believe Tennessee is still operating under a scholarship reduction each year until maybe 2028? How many can Tennessee sign in the 2026 cycle? Do you all foresee Heupel encouraging any transfer and how will this effect their ability to add some defensive players and a QB in the portal in January?
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We just signed 28. "Scholarship reductions" are essentially meaningless in the NIL era. You can have someone not on a scholarship on a fat NIL deal instead that is worth every bit as much.
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But it would still effect bringing in other scholarship players if the big NIL player comes in because isn't there a cap on how many can be signed each year? Are you suggesting the NIL player turns around and pays their tuition/fees with their NIL money?
 
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madbamahater said:
But it would still effect bringing in other scholarship players if the big NIL player comes in because isn't there a cap on how many can be signed each year? Are you suggesting the NIL player turns around and pays their tuition/fees with their NIL money?
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No, there is not a cap on how many players can be signed every year.

Yes, they could do that. In reality we probably do it for them they are just written 2 checks and we keep one.

We signed the best class we have had in years yesterday, but we are not signing less than most teams in college football. It's not 2005, where if we were on probation we would be signing 15-16 and everyone else would be signing 25. Look at the numbers:

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The only reason USCw is #1 is that they signed 35. Their avg player rating is no better than other top 10 classes. They signed only one 5-star.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We just signed 28. "Scholarship reductions" are essentially meaningless in the NIL era. You can have someone not on a scholarship on a fat NIL deal instead that is worth every bit as much.
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Does the new rule about expanding roster to something like 105 start this year? If it does I was under impression everyone had to be on scholarship.
 
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MHS Rebel said:
The only reason USCw is #1 is that they signed 35. Their avg player rating is no better than other top 10 classes. They signed only one 5-star.
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35? You can do that? Obviously you can but why? They all get money....some more than others for sure, but put more money in the portal than HS kids. Read somewhere that a good "hit" rate in recruiting is 50%. Just doesn't look like a smart way to go these days.
 
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BlountvegasVol28 said:
Does the new rule about expanding roster to something like 105 start this year? If it does I was under impression everyone had to be on scholarship.
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No, it has not started and the SEC has not made up its mind when, if ever, it will be adopted by the SEC.
 
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MHS Rebel said:
The only reason USCw is #1 is that they signed 35. Their avg player rating is no better than other top 10 classes. They signed only one 5-star.
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Still slightly higher than our per recruit avg. Bama still recruiting like Saban was there. What an impact that man made there
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We just signed 28. "Scholarship reductions" are essentially meaningless in the NIL era. You can have someone not on a scholarship on a fat NIL deal instead that is worth every bit as much.
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Are there any examples of players "not on a scholarship on a fat NIL deal instead"?
 
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BigBadVol said:
Penn State signed two players! Yikes!
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That will make it even more difficult to get a decent HC. They will probably have to make a hefty commitment to whoever they get. Looks like their best bets right now may be a coach desperate enough to take the job: Gruden? Petrino? I would go after Mat Patricia and if he turned me down, Gruden.
 
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Danl said:
Are there any examples of players "not on a scholarship on a fat NIL deal instead"?
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We don't know who has scholarships and who doesn't. That is not public information, however what is known is that the NCAA is unable to stop Tennessee or anyone else from giving more than 85 athletes scholarships OR NIL deals equivalent to a scholarship. Scholarship limitations are currently meaningless.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
We don't know who has scholarships and who doesn't. That is not public information, however what is known is that the NCAA is unable to stop Tennessee or anyone else from giving more than 85 athletes scholarships OR NIL deals equivalent to a scholarship. Scholarship limitations are currently meaningless.
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So you don't know of any schools having used this "trick". I think we all would have heard of it were it to happen.

I don't believe any player worth having would agree to a "no scholarship" deal. I think they all want the "prestige" of having a scholarship and not be a "walk on".

Further, I believe that if UT gave a player money and some of that money was used for their tuition, that would be considered a scholarship by whatever governing body is interested. Same would be true if UT were to just not charge a player any tuition.

The SEC, not the NCAA, says all member schools are limited to 85 football scholarships. I don't think that scholarship limit is meaningless.
 
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Danl said:
So you don't know of any schools having used this "trick". I think we all would have heard of it were it to happen.

I don't believe any player worth having would agree to a "no scholarship" deal. I think they all want the "prestige" of having a scholarship and not be a "walk on".

Further, I believe that if UT gave a player money and some of that money was used for their tuition, that would be considered a scholarship by whatever governing body is interested. Same would be true if UT were to just not charge a player any tuition.

The SEC, not the NCAA, says all member schools are limited to 85 football scholarships. I don't think that scholarship limit is meaningless.
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I chiefly know that it happens because I am not a nitwit and I understand that in competitive endeavors, competitors will do whatever is not prohibited that gives them an advantage. If you want to stick your head in the sand about it though, by all means go ahead, but I'm not cosigning your ********.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
I chiefly know that it happens because I am not a nitwit and I understand that in competitive endeavors, competitors will do whatever is not prohibited that gives them an advantage. If you want to stick your head in the sand about it though, by all means go ahead, but I'm not cosigning your ********.
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Great! You have no data to back up your claim, so you resort to name calling. Always a good sign.

If it's not prohibited, why aren't there teams openly doing this? Surely, you're not the only one to have thought about it.
 
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Danl said:
Great! You have no data to back up your claim, so you resort to name calling. Always a good sign.

If it's not prohibited, why aren't there teams openly doing this? Surely, you're not the only one to have thought about it.
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If you want to hang around for someone to spell out the fact that water is wet for you, again be my guest.

P.S the fact that the numbers teams sign don't add up to 85 ought to tell you something.
 
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The SEC has, today, moved to 105. So I would think our "scholarship reductions" will now be from 105.

 
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